Beyond the Frequency 369: Unlocking Dormant Abilities and Ancient Truths – An Interview with Cesar Pagan

Cesar Pagan didn’t set out to become someone who sees without his eyes. 

He set out to ask better questions. Growing up in Panama, he was surrounded by stories of family members with extraordinary gifts and a culture that never told him those things weren’t real. Years later, as a young airman sitting alone in a church pew, he raised his hand and asked a question that disrupted the entire sermon. That moment planted a seed that would eventually grow into one of the most fascinating spiritual awakening journeys you will ever hear.

Today, Cesar hosts Beyond the Frequency 369, a podcast designed to trigger activations in listeners who are ready to remember what they truly are. He is a practicing mindsight practitioner, conscious explorer, a children’s book author, and a living example of what happens when an ordinary person commits to an extraordinary belief. In this interview, he shares the ancient texts that broke him open, the 30-day breakdown that rebuilt him, and the blindfolded demonstration that will leave you speechless.

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I am very fascinated with your story of awakening to consciousness, mindfulness, and spirituality. But maybe take us back to your childhood. Did you have some sort of faith or spiritual influences in your life, or did that come later?

Cesar Pagan: First of all, I’m Panamanian and Puerto Rican. On the Panamanian side, especially, my culture believed in what people might call the “woo” stuff — witchcraft, wizards, warlocks, things like that. I grew up in an environment where, from the time I was born, I was always told that we’re more than just this “meat suit,” as we call it.

So I always believed that. I believed I was a superhero. As a kid, you’re trying to figure out what you can relate to, so I found that in Saturday morning cartoons — X-Men and other superhero shows. That language made sense to me.

At the same time, I would hear stories about family members having special abilities. And as a child, how do you even process that? You don’t really know what it means. I grew up hearing that my father was what they called a “white warlock” on my mom’s side — that he had white spells and things like that. I heard stories about my aunt being able to walk through walls. These kinds of conversations were common in my household and culture.

That was the foundation for me — the belief that we are more than what we appear to be.

As you were growing up, did that stay part of your mindset and things you were interested in? Or did your interest increase at a certain point?

Cesar Pagan: The foundation — that we’re more than just this container — always stayed with me. But there wasn’t really a place to go with it. Who do you ask those questions to?

I also grew up in the church. I went to Sunday school, got baptized, and made my First Communion — I did all of it because that’s what the culture and the family wanted. Back then, it made sense. If something supernatural happened, you left it in God’s hands. There was God, and there was the devil — it was always one or the other. I didn’t know anything beyond that framework.

After high school, around 2000, I joined the military at 18. That’s when my world started expanding. I was meeting new people, seeing different parts of the country and overseas, and being exposed to new perspectives.

When I was about 19 or 20, in my second or third year in the military, I went to a Christmas church event. The pastor was talking about how Jesus left at 12 years old and came back at 30 — that gap in the story. I was sitting there by myself in the pew, and I raised my hand. I didn’t even know if you were allowed to raise your hand during a sermon. But I thought it was a valid question.

I asked, “Where did he go? Twelve to thirty — that’s a big gap.”

To my surprise, I was seen as disturbing the session. I felt the shift in the room afterward — people looking at me differently. And I remember thinking, What was wrong with that question?

That moment wasn’t my full awakening, but it was pivotal. It made me realize that maybe I needed to take the teachings I’d been given as a child and turn them upside down — to ask the same questions again, but now as an adult. Would I get the same answers? Or different ones?

That curiosity set me on a new path.

You mentioned the word awakening. Do you point to a specific event — or several events — that really caused that to unfold?

Cesar Pagan: I think before we have what we call a major awakening, there are always these little mini-awakenings — sparks, flashes of curiosity. At the time, you don’t fully understand what they mean. But later, when the big one hits, you realize those moments were leading you there.

Curiosity itself is a mini-awakening. The moment you question what you think you already know, something has already shifted.

My major awakening happened maybe three or three and a half years ago — before I even started my podcast. I began hearing about ancient texts. Tablets with ancient writings — stick figures, symbols — things I’d only ever seen in cartoons like The Flintstones. I didn’t know what they really were.

So I started looking into them. Some of these tablets had been deciphered. I wanted to learn just enough to read for myself, because I didn’t want to rely solely on someone else’s interpretation. And David, what I found blew my mind.

The stories I read predate the Bible by thousands and thousands of years. That immediately brings up the question: what came first — the chicken or the egg? Then I discovered there are hundreds of thousands of these tablets. Some are in museums. Others are sitting in filing cabinets somewhere, used as paperweights. I had to dive deeper.

And when I did, I got overloaded.

There were so many gaps in my understanding of life — things that had felt unanswered — and suddenly they were being filled in, sometimes in a single sentence. I was reading stories in these ancient texts that sounded strikingly similar to stories in the Bible, but with different names and different places. And I thought, What is happening?

I had about a 30-day breakdown. I tell people this openly — I lost my mind. My wife today, who was my fiancée then, wasn’t even sure we’d get married. I was all over the place.

How did that play out? What did that look like?

Cesar Pagan: It looked like constant questioning. “And this… and what about that? And then this?” I wasn’t even speaking coherently at times.

What I realized was that my foundation — everything I had built my identity and beliefs on — detached. It was like my boat had holes in it and was sinking. There was nothing solid underneath me anymore.

But slowly, I started to calm down. I began to see what felt like a new boat coming in. I grounded myself, took a deep breath, and once I felt stable again, I hit the ground running. That’s when I consciously chose to go down what people call the rabbit hole — but this time, with intention.

What allowed you to create a sense of stability in the midst of all that instability? What helped you — a belief, a person, a teaching, something internal?

Cesar Pagan: Honestly, what helped me was grounding. I realized I had ripped away my foundation without first building a new one. So I had to slow down.

I began to integrate instead of just consuming. Instead of trying to solve everything in one night, I gave myself space. I leaned on my fiancée — now my wife — because even though she didn’t fully understand what I was going through, she stayed present. That mattered.

I also realized something important: questioning doesn’t mean destroying everything. It means refining. So instead of trying to tear down every belief I’d ever had, I started asking, What still resonates? What feels true in my body?

That shift — from panic to discernment — created stability.

And from there, my awakening wasn’t chaotic anymore. It became intentional.

In the midst of all that instability, how did you find a sense of landing? You said, “I finally kind of landed.” Was it a belief, a teaching, a revelation? What allowed that internal fortitude to come back into place?

Cesar Pagan: I kept reading. I just kept reading.

I dove into ancient texts — tablets like the Atra-Hasis and stories about Enki. These ancient narratives described creator beings who came and interacted with earlier hominid species, and from that… here we are. I had never heard a version of humanity’s origins told that way before. Not in church. Not in school. Not anywhere.

It was fantastical — but it resonated. And strangely, that grounded me.

Ancient texts became my comfort blanket. Instead of going to a library for self-help books, I went searching for translations of ancient tablets. The more I read, the more I felt like I was rebuilding something inside myself. That became my anchor. That was the source I returned to as I pieced myself back together.

Talk to me about what motivated you to start the Beyond the Frequency 369 podcast. And how did you come up with the name?

Cesar Pagan: I’ll answer the “why” first.

When I started the podcast, I honestly thought I just wanted to talk to superhuman people. That was the original idea. I was listening to all these other shows and thought, Why don’t I interview people with extraordinary abilities? At face value, that’s what it looks like — we talk about ancient civilizations, Enki, multidimensional realms, and altered states of consciousness.

But that’s just the surface.

The real purpose is much deeper. Every conversation is like a breadcrumb — a trigger, an activation. It’s designed to awaken something that’s already within the listener. It’s not about teaching brand-new information or convincing someone that something is true. It’s about helping people remember what’s already buried inside them.

I bring on mediums, experiencers, truth seekers — people who have stepped outside the veil. We talk about things that don’t fit neatly into the mainstream narrative. Truths that feel less like revelations and more like memories.

So the podcast isn’t just content. It’s frequency. And if it resonates with someone, it’s probably because some part of them is remembering.

As for the name, everything is energy. You’ve heard that before, and I believe that deeply. I understand frequency and the realm we’re in, so I wanted to go beyond this frequency. That’s where the first part of the title came from.

And then there’s 369.

Three, six, and nine are powerful numbers. Nikola Tesla famously spoke about them — he even said that if you understood the magnificence of 3, 6, and 9, you would have the key to the universe. He structured parts of his life around those numbers — staying in hotel rooms divisible by three, walking around buildings three, six, or nine times before entering.

I apply that same principle in my life. If I grab a cold drink, I’ll use three ice cubes. When I’m looking for guidance, I notice versions of 3, 6, or 9 in numbers around me. It’s a rhythm I tune into.

So adding 369 to Beyond the Frequency gives it that extra charge — that energetic imprint.

Do you have a 3-6-9 tattoo?

Cesar Pagan: I don’t — not yet. I know, you were expecting a yes.

I do have gear with 3-6-9 on it. Those are the only numbers I’d wear intentionally. But I have other symbols tattooed — the Eye of Horus, pyramids on my wrist, and Anubis. I keep statues around my office, too. And I do have 3-6-9 on a hat — so maybe that counts.

I’m curious about your own personal experiences with superhuman abilities. When did those really start to come online for you?

Cesar Pagan: They started coming online when I began to believe I could do them.

One thing I’ve realized, especially when helping others activate what I call dormant abilities, is that people always want to know the secret sauce. What’s the key? What’s the ingredient?

It’s a belief.

And that’s hard for people to accept because belief is layered. We all carry different definitions and limitations around it. But once I truly understood that belief was the first layer, something shifted.

The second layer was fear.

Even if you believe you can do something, there’s still this massive door in front of you. And that door is called fear. The moment I removed fear from the equation, that door opened. After that, the abilities began activating.

What were some of the first abilities that came online?

Cesar Pagan: For most people — myself included — it starts with intuitive abilities. Intuitive sight. Premonitions. Subtle inner knowings.

But even then, you second-guess everything. Are these my thoughts? Am I imagining this? What’s happening?

I had to break through that mental clutter and learn to trust the very first impression — the first millisecond of knowing. That’s usually the answer. Everything that stacks on top of it afterward? That’s the logical mind stepping in, saying, “No, no, no. Shut it down.”

So intuition was the beginning.

But the first tangible ability I developed was something called mindsight — the ability to perceive without using your physical eyes. Seeing without sight.

Even after it was activated, I was still trying to understand it. What is this? How does it work? How do I apply it in real life? Is it just some novelty, or does it serve a purpose?

That phase became its own journey of discovery.

How did you actually develop that skill? What was that process like? How long did it take? What do you experience?

Cesar Pagan: It definitely wasn’t quick.

I was first introduced to mindsight through a documentary — I believe it was by Caroline Cory — about children demonstrating abilities like seeing while blindfolded. That was maybe four or five years ago. I was curious, but there wasn’t a handbook for this. There was no “Mindsight 101” manual. Where do you even go to learn something like that?

I started experimenting on my own here and there. Then, through Facebook, I connected with people like Wendy Galland and Rob Freeman — good friends now, and guests on my show. They openly discussed these abilities, which helped normalize them for me. It got me excited again. It made it feel accessible instead of impossible.

And that’s part of it, too — community. Once you realize you’re not the only one exploring this, it strengthens your belief. And belief, again, is the foundation.

From there, it became practice. Repetition. Trust. Quieting the mind. Removing fear. And slowly, what once felt impossible began to feel natural. Are you familiar with Chris Fazio?

I’ve learned about him through you.

Cesar Pagan: Fair enough. So I ended up meeting a gentleman named Chris Fazio when we were both first being introduced to mindsight. We became friends, and he was actually my first training partner.

At the time, though, I wasn’t fully committed. I was curious, but I didn’t really get it. It wasn’t something I practiced consistently.

That changed when I started my podcast. If I were to have conversations with people exploring these so-called superhuman abilities, I realized I needed to work on myself, too. So I committed — really committed — for about eight or nine months.

I would put on a blackout blindfold and sit in complete darkness. No teacher. No manual. No step-by-step guide. Just me trying to figure it out.

At first, I studied clips and watched how others approached it. I tried to reverse-engineer what I could. But the most important part was consistency. When you’re consistent, your mind starts to understand what you’re trying to do. Your mind isn’t working against you — it’s trying to help. The only thing that blocks you is the belief that you’re blocked.

Practicing looked simple on the outside. I’d put on a blackout mask — I actually still have the one that helped me break through — and I’d sit in darkness for 15 or 20 minutes. Sometimes I’d set a timer. The goal wasn’t to “see.” That was the mistake I made in the beginning — chasing the result.

Instead, I just sat in the darkness.

What does darkness look like? What does the color blue feel like when you can’t physically see it? We all know what blue looks like with our eyes. But what does blue look like internally? I started exploring that.

More than anything, I had to learn what it actually meant to let go. We say that phrase all the time. But what does it really mean?

One day, toward the end of a session, I was in my dining room facing the backyard window. It was bright outside — Florida sun reflecting off the pool. That contrast was important. If you’re in total darkness and see something faint, you can dismiss it. But the bright contrast makes it undeniable.

I was nearing the end of the session and feeling discouraged. Another unsuccessful attempt, I thought. I started doing that deep stretch you do when you’re wrapping something up — just present in that sensation.

And in that exact moment — when I wasn’t trying anymore — something shifted.

It was like a small window opened. I saw blue. The reflection of the water in the pool.

I froze. Did that just happen?

I ripped off the mask, checked my orientation, and examined the blindfold for holes. There weren’t any. I put it back on. Waited a couple of seconds. The same window opened again — about the size of a nickel. Everything else was black, but there was this tiny, clear opening.

We call them “windows,” not holes. It feels more accurate.

I immediately called my wife into the room. She thought something was wrong. I told her, “Do something.” She started moving her hands. I described her movements. Then I asked her to hold up fingers. “Five.” “Two.” I got them right.

She was stunned. I was stunned.

That moment changed everything. Because I remembered what it felt like to let go. I wasn’t thinking about results. I wasn’t forcing anything. I was just present — stretching, breathing, existing.

And that’s when it happened.

That experience taught me something fundamental: abilities activate when you stop chasing the outcome. When you’re fully present and surrendered, they emerge naturally.

That was my process up to that breakthrough.

My understanding is that you now have two windows open—one on each side. Is that correct?

Cesar Pagan: I do. I have one on my left side and one on my right. And then there’s another that follows the curve behind my ear. That one feels like looking through a cracked door. I don’t see the full picture all at once, but if something moves, I can piece together what’s happening.

That one actually surprised me.

I was training with my wife in the living room. I was facing her, and my back was toward the backyard window. We have a table back there with a cactus on it. At some point during the front-facing practice, another window opened — but it wasn’t simply “behind” me. I was seeing her in front of me and the cactus behind me at the same time.

I know it sounds strange, but it felt normal. I imagine it’s similar to how a fly sees — multiple visual inputs at once, without it being overwhelming.

At one point, I said, “I think I see my cactus.” Then someone walked by in the backyard, and I asked her, “Did someone just walk by?” She said yes. That confirmed it for me.

From your perspective, what’s actually happening — physiologically or consciously — that allows you to see these things?

Cesar Pagan: What I understand today — and what I explain to my clients — is that we’re seeing through our skin.

There’s an older experiment called “dermo-vision” that explored the idea that we have photoreceptors not just in our eyes but also in our skin. We’re conditioned to believe that sight only happens through these two organs. But our skin is a much larger organ with similar capabilities.

The mind is like a computer. It processes signals. When you practice mindsight, you’re essentially reprogramming it. You’re telling your mind, “I’m going to turn off these primary visual inputs, but I still want to perceive — and I want to use this instead.”

So in my view, we’re not doing something supernatural. We’re redirecting the way perception happens.

If you think you’re seeing through your skin, would you see even better doing it naked?

Cesar Pagan: (Laughs.) Honestly? Maybe.

I’ve never tried it, but theoretically, yes — fewer barriers, more exposure. I do have a private yard, so maybe I’ll experiment with that. Who knows? Maybe the windows get bigger.

When you talk about these windows and what you see, is it the same as what you’d see if the blindfold were off?

Cesar Pagan: Yes. Absolutely.

What I’m describing is local viewing — seeing what’s physically present in real time. That’s different from remote viewing, though the concepts overlap.

If I’m targeting a cup of water in front of me, I see the cup that’s actually there. It’s not symbolic. It’s not abstract. It’s literal.

People often ask about the clarity. The best way I can describe it is this: imagine you buy a brand-new camera with a high-end lens. Sometimes when you take a photo, the image looks even clearer than what you were seeing with your own eyes — sharper, more defined.

That’s what it looks like to me.

Wow. Amazing. So, as you’re having these experiences, how are you assimilating this? If this is possible, what does that mean for your life? Earlier, you said, “What’s the point of this?” How do you integrate something like that?

Cesar Pagan: My twin brother Carlos — I’m two minutes older, so I remind him of that — really grounded me here.

I showed him what I could do, expecting some big reaction. He looked at me and said, “Okay… so what are you going to do with that?”

That question hit me.

In my mind, I was thinking, What do you mean? This is amazing. But he was focused on practicality. What’s the purpose? What’s the application?

At the time, I didn’t have an answer. And honestly, I didn’t care. It was just exciting.

But eventually, I realized that mindsight was gaining attention. People were seeing demonstrations — like Dalia’s — and getting inspired. But then they’d have to fly somewhere, spend a lot of money, attend seminars, and hope their “window” would open.

That didn’t sit right with me.

I was already hosting my podcast, so I thought, I don’t need to reinvent anything. I’ll just explain how I did it. That’s it. My process. My practices. The techniques that worked for me.

At the core, it’s not about copying someone else. It’s about helping people convince themselves that they can do it. That’s the real work.

It sounds like many people start with colors, then shapes, then letters or numbers, and eventually full words. At this point, are you able to read?

Cesar Pagan: Yes. Pretty much everything Dalia demonstrates, I’ve done as well. It’s fun.

There is one thing I’ve done twice that I haven’t revisited — zooming in and zooming out.

I didn’t even know that was possible until someone commented on one of my posts, asking if I could zoom in on something. I thought, Can I?

So I went outside with my blindfold on. My window opened. I looked down the street — about four houses down, there was a car parked backward with the license plate facing me.

I set the intention: Can I zoom in and read that?

It took a minute or two. Then, suddenly, my vision zoomed in — like pinching a phone screen. And physically, my body reacted. I got hot. I felt motion sickness, like nausea rising. I memorized what I saw, took off the blindfold, ran down the street, and checked.

It matched.

I’ve done it twice. But interestingly, I haven’t felt called to continue developing that. Maybe it’s a focus issue. Maybe I’m just exploring other things right now. But I know if I committed again, I could.

Do you feel comfortable doing a demonstration right now?

Cesar Pagan: Absolutely.

(Cesar puts on a blackout sleep mask, ensuring there are no gaps.)

Cesar Pagan: Okay. I’ve found my window. Go ahead.

(David places objects on his desk.)

Cesar Pagan: That’s a blue ball — it says “Awakened” on it.

And the Altoids tin — the small square container with the blue ribbon around it.

The next one… that looks like a small blue figure with dark markings. It’s almost like it’s been drawn on or detailed with a Sharpie.

(David confirms it’s an artifact from Egypt.)

Cesar Pagan: Wow. Fantastic.

Do you have a book there? Yes — Awakened Hearts. I see the heart imagery. “Stories of Embracing Light, Love, and Limitless Possibilities.”

Are we good?

You’re just freaking me out. This is crazy, Cesar — and you’re just a normal person, right?

Cesar Pagan: Yeah. Regular guy. You heard my story. I was just trying to figure out how to do this. And now it’s just part of my life.

But you can do this too. It really comes back to belief.

Sometimes we say, “I believe I can do it,” but there’s still skepticism sitting quietly in the subconscious. That doubt matters. Once you truly commit — not just intellectually, but fully — and you let go of the fear of what might happen, that’s when things shift.

Who cares what’s going to happen? Let it happen. That’s the magic. That’s who you are.

Do you still practice to cultivate this gift?

Cesar Pagan: Honestly? I don’t practice the way I used to anymore. The windows stay open now.

But I do teach. And teaching reinforces it. When you’re explaining something repeatedly, you’re reminding your own mind of what’s possible. That strengthens the pathway. So in a way, teaching keeps it active.

It’s always on.

I noticed you shifting your head a bit during the demonstration. Is that to move the window?

Cesar Pagan: Exactly. The window isn’t always a perfect circle. It’s more like a loose, blobby shape — almost like a sideways “D.” And sometimes it moves. I call it a lazy window.

If I’ve had a long day or I’m tired, it can feel weaker. So I’ll move my head slightly — almost like I’m telling it, “Hey, I’m looking. Let’s focus.”

From my experience, windows don’t always open where you expect them to. They might show up on your finger, the back of your head, anywhere. So you have to learn how to work with it — to direct your intention toward the target.

Can you do this with your eyes closed instead of wearing a blindfold?

Cesar Pagan: That’s a great question. The answer is no, not in the same way.

There’s an intuitive version of perception with eyes closed, but it’s different. One fear I had early on was, if my window is open, will I still be able to sleep? That’s a valid question.

But intention controls it.

When I close my eyes to sleep, my intention is rest. When I put on the blindfold, I intend to see. You’re the boss of your focus. That’s the difference.

I haven’t put serious effort into developing it with my eyes closed, mainly because I prefer structure. I want to know when I’m activating it—not have it happen randomly.

You mentioned Chris Fazio and his unique abilities. For those who haven’t seen the video — what did you experience, and how has it impacted you?

Cesar Pagan: Chris has what’s called electrokinetic ability. I didn’t even know that term before I met him.

We’ve all heard of telekinesis — moving objects with the mind. Chris cultivates electricity within his body. Through years of Qigong and energy training, he learned how to generate and direct that energy.

In videos, you’ll see him light up a bulb without plugging it in. He grounds himself, focuses, and powers it through his body.

When I first met him in person — after knowing him online for years — I was skeptical. But in person? He’s the real deal.

The first night I was there, I asked to feel it. He directed the energy into me.

It wasn’t a static shock. It felt like lightning. Like putting your finger into a socket — times ten. He can modulate it, turn it up, or down.

Recently, I went through what we’re calling an “energy transfer.” The idea was to open my nervous system and meridian pathways — increasing their capacity to handle higher energy flow. Then he directed chi into me.

For him, this was something developed over the years. For me, it was raw. I’ve never practiced energy work. So when that electricity hit my body — moving through my nerve fibers, fascia, blockages — it was intense. I was screaming.

There were two others there who had years of energy practice. For them, it felt pleasant. For me, it was like my entire system was being forced open.

What people might not notice in the videos is that as my energy was rising, his was dropping. He has to recharge. It’s a transfer.

When he shifted from electricity to chi, the sensation changed. It felt cool. Refreshing. Almost smoky. It flowed through me.

Afterward, even 30 minutes later, I felt charged. Hyper-aware. Activated.

And here’s the thing: when you surround yourself with people operating at that level — with no skepticism, no doubt — the collective belief amplifies everything. The things we experienced together… if someone had told me about them before, I would have called it nonsense.

But I was there.

Because of this energy transfer, what have you been able to do in the last few weeks in terms of your own abilities?

Cesar Pagan: When I came back — I was there from Friday to Sunday — something had clearly shifted.

Before I left, I was experimenting with telekinesis the way many people do as kids — focusing on small objects, trying to influence them. After the energy transfer, it felt different.

I started simple: a small piece of foil balanced on a needle. The needle reduces resistance — you don’t want carpet or wood interfering. I would just gaze at it and think about it moving.

And it moved.

From there, I upgraded to an empty water bottle balanced on a needle. Same concept, just slightly more challenging. Now I’m working toward spinning a pinwheel — like the ones you see at fairs. I’ve gotten it to move, but I’m still refining that.

When I showed my parents, my dad — very old school, 74 years old — said, “Okay, let me see.” He tried it himself. It became a conversation. That alone meant something to me.

Another change has been sensitivity. My nerve fibers feel heightened. If I’m near a heat source — even from a distance — I can feel it. Not just warmth, but energy.

You know how, when you form a chi ball between your hands, there’s that subtle magnetic sensation? I feel that from light bulbs across the room. It’s different now. My system is more aware.

I’m still integrating the transfer — it’s only been about two weeks. I’ve started practicing Qigong to intentionally balance yin and yang. I’m paying attention to what I eat — more cooling foods like blueberries and cucumbers to balance the internal heat. I don’t want to tip too far in one energetic direction.

My energy is growing. And I hope that by the end of the year, I can demonstrate even more clearly what’s possible.

In the words of your brother, what are you going to do with this? What’s the point?

Cesar Pagan: My purpose isn’t to convince anyone. It’s to show what’s possible.

I still consider myself a regular guy. But what does “regular” even mean? I believed something might be true. I didn’t know how to do it. I figured it out. Now I’m doing it.

That’s the journey.

If I can do it, someone else can too.

Through my podcast and through these demonstrations, my intention is simple: spark activation. Maybe someone hears a story and feels curious enough to ask a new question. Maybe they put a piece of foil on a needle and try it themselves.

That’s activation.

If people begin to explore their own potential — not because I convinced them, but because something resonated — then I’ve done what I set out to do.

I want people to activate and start discovering what they’re capable of.

I’ll say this — watching your demonstration and researching you before this conversation activated something in me. When I first saw Dalia Burgoin do it, my reaction was, “That’s amazing… but I could never do that.” She felt mystical, almost otherworldly. But when I saw you, I thought, “He’s just a regular guy. If he can do it…” So something shifted.

Cesar Pagan: I love that. And you’re right — different people activate different people.

Some will look at Dalia and think, If she can do it, I can do it. Others will look at me and think the same. It’s not about one person being the template. It’s about resonance. Whoever feels relatable to you becomes the doorway.

And if something sparked inside you, that’s not because of me. That was already in you.

You want to activate this in others — but what’s the point? What does it actually mean for our daily lives? If this is possible, what else could be possible?

Cesar Pagan: Here’s my understanding: we are not the body. The body is the suit. It’s what allows us to navigate this realm.

A lot of people talk about the veil — the veil of forgetfulness. I actually appreciate the veil. If you are an omnipotent being — not God, but a godlike consciousness — how do you understand the fullness of what you are unless you also experience what you’re not?

So you pause the omnipotence. You put on mortality. You experience pain, joy, love, anger, and loss. You cry. You suffer. You grow.

This brain — this filter — is brilliantly designed. We perceive only a tiny fraction of the light spectrum. We are energy, but this biological system filters out the vast majority of reality so we can immerse ourselves in this particular experience.

If we remembered everything all the time, the game would end.

But here’s the part that excites me: what if you could have both? What if you could have the human experience and remember, even partially, who you truly are?

You wouldn’t have to wait until you “pass away” to realize your expanded nature. You wouldn’t have to keep repeating cycles of forgetting and remembering.

You could wake up inside the dream while still playing the game.

Activating abilities like mindsight or telekinesis isn’t about party tricks. It’s about cracking open the belief that you are limited.

Once that belief cracks, everything changes.

If you can see without your eyes… what else about reality isn’t as fixed as you thought?

If you can influence matter with intention… what else in your life responds to your focus?

The point isn’t the ability itself. The point is remembrance.

And when you start remembering while still human, that upgrades the experience tenfold.

You have a beautifully illustrated book. Tell us about it.

Cesar Pagan: Yeah, I’ve got it right here. It’s called Kaza’s Chronicles: The Anunnaki and Us.

The first ancient story that truly impacted me was about the Anunnaki — the narrative that they engineered humanity, what some might call “human 2.0.” It’s a long, complex story in the original texts. But when I reflected on it, I realized something: kids aren’t exposed to this material. And adults? We’re often set in our beliefs. We defend what we already think we know.

Kids are different. They deserve the opportunity to discern for themselves — to explore ideas and ask questions.

So I rewrote the Anunnaki story in a way that’s accessible for ages nine to fourteen — though honestly, anyone can read it. My one takeaway for young readers is simple: remember the word Anunnaki. If they remember that word, eventually they’ll ask, “What is that?” And that question opens the door to curiosity.

The name “Kaza” comes from my youngest son — I wanted to honor him. And I called it Chronicles because I plan to release two more books with this same character.

The illustrated character in the book represents an Anunnaki being. Interestingly, I once had a dream where I saw a version of myself in a parallel reality — and that’s what I looked like. I do believe in multiverses and parallel timelines. I’ve had out-of-body experiences that reinforce that belief for me.

So I put it all into a children’s story. It’s fun. It’s imaginative. But it also invites a child to pause and say, “Hmm… I wonder.”

Where can people book a session with you to learn mindsight, and where can they follow you online?

Cesar Pagan: The best place is my website: BeyondTheFrequency369.com. There’s a dedicated Mindsight tab where you can read about the process and book sessions.

I also share content on social media — TikTok, Instagram, and more — all linked through the site.

And yes, working with me is significantly more accessible than traveling to in-person events. I offer single sessions and a three-session package.

For those who work with you, how long does it usually take for something to “click”?

Cesar Pagan: Everyone has their own timeline — that’s important. You can’t force this like learning to write or memorize steps.

That said, on average, many people experience a breakthrough within the first week.

In a single 80-minute session, we move through four stages. First, we talk. I want to understand your mindset and make sure you’re in the right space. Then we work on shifting from the left brain — logic and analysis — to the right brain, which is more receptive and intuitive.

After that, we begin training with the mask. We calibrate. We test. We refine.

In the final minutes, we reflect. By the end of that session, people have the tools they need to continue practicing on their own.

I also host a community called the 369 Collective on Discord. It’s a space with no gatekeepers — people share openly, practice together, and support one another’s growth.

For me, it’s not about which package someone chooses. It’s about curiosity. When one person wakes up, it has a ripple effect. And that ripple is the real win.

Cesar, it’s been great to be with you. You’ve definitely inspired me. I’m going to take action — I think I’m going to book a session with you.

Cesar Pagan: I’m excited for you. Truly. This is how lives change — one decision, one activation at a time.