Breaking Reality: Mindsight, Telepathy, and the Future of Human Potential – An Interview with Dalia Burgoin

What happens when science meets a phenomenon it can’t yet explain—but can no longer deny?

For Dalia Burgoin, extraocular vision and telepathy aren’t theories or fringe ideas. They’re daily realities she has cultivated, studied, and now teaches to others—including blind individuals who learn to perceive light and read text without physical sight. Supported by researchers from Stanford, Harvard, and beyond, Dalia’s work is challenging long-held assumptions about human perception and expanding the frontier of consciousness studies.

In this conversation, she reveals how her own intuitive gifts resurfaced in adulthood, how her daughter Lidu’s extraordinary telepathic abilities opened a new dimension of understanding, and why she believes these capacities will eventually become part of mainstream education. Continue reading or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, or YouTube to discover how Dalia Burgoin is helping bridge the gap between spirituality, neuroscience, and the untapped potential of the human mind.

I’d love to start our conversation with your own story — your journey of awakening to consciousness, mindfulness, and spirituality. I’m curious about your upbringing.
Did you have some faith experience in the home, or did spirituality and consciousness come to you later in life?

Dalia Burgoin: It was definitely from the very beginning. Even as a little kid, I was very sensitive to energy and felt I would do some healing work as an adult. It wasn’t just a feeling — I had visions of it too.

When I was four years old, I used to go to holy places by myself and feel the energy there. I remember listening to priests or monks speaking, and I loved them, but I could already see the difference between man and God. Even as a child, I admired what they were trying to do, even though once the words came out of their mouths, they were filtered through their own perspective. At four years old, I was picking all of this up and thinking, I still admire what they’re trying to do, even though it wasn’t exactly what I felt.

Did your parents know you had this sensitivity?

Dalia Burgoin: They did. To me, it felt like something everyone had — I didn’t think it was special. I’ve shared this before, but as a child, I used to have telepathy. Not to the level that my daughter has now — her telepathy is through the roof — but I could sense what people were thinking, what they were going to do, and what they were going to say.

I remember being surprised that adults didn’t seem to be using their telepathy. I thought, Okay, I guess when you become an adult, you forget it. Then I went to school and was confused again that the kids weren’t using it either. I don’t have a memory of losing that ability, but at some point — probably around first grade — it stopped. I don’t have any memories of using it after that age.

And as you progressed in life, at what point did this ability — and really, your sense of spirituality — reemerge for you later on?

Dalia Burgoin: I was always a meditator and always connected to consciousness — that never stopped. But from around age 18 to my mid-twenties, I got more into worldly things: studying, working, doing life. I remember being really unhappy, sitting one day and asking myself, What am I truly into? The answer was spirituality and consciousness — yet they made up less than 1% of my life.

So I returned to it in my mid-twenties. I joined an energy school — I’m still part of it — and that’s where I was first introduced to blindfold work: touching, sensing, and knowing what was around me with all my senses. Back then, it wasn’t visual like it is for me now. It was more about using all your senses to “see” the world.

I had heard about the children in Indonesia doing it visually and wondered, What are they doing that I’m not? I eventually figured it out. Last year, I went to a seminar in Ontario, Canada, with Rob Freeman and Wendy Gallant. I put on the blindfold and went outside, and the sunlight came in. I realized that I had been assuming that if my eyes were covered, I couldn’t see light. But once the sun came in, it started to open up. That’s what I had been missing — the light sense. That’s what I call it now when I teach: the light sense. Even without our eyes, we can still see the world through light, as if we’re using our physical vision.

You’re blowing my mind here. So you were in this energy school — something like an underground school, almost Reiki-adjacent. Was it similar to Reiki in a sense?

Dalia Burgoin: I’d say it’s more like Niang — a yin style of Niang.

And in that process, a blindfold was introduced. What was the purpose of putting on a blindfold in your learning process?

Dalia Burgoin: It was to show that we can take our senses with us and still perceive the world without relying on our normal way of seeing. I realized I could tell objects apart just by hovering my hand over them, touching them, smelling them, or listening to them.

That’s now the first stage I teach in blindfold vision — having people get really good at enhancing all their senses. And in the process, we accidentally discovered something surprising: not only can people see without their eyes, but their regular vision often improves. People with hearing challenges experience improved hearing. In every seminar I’ve taught, people who wore glasses didn’t need them during the exercises. It was a side effect I didn’t expect.

Amazing. So it was just last year when you went to that seminar. Was it called Mindsight? Is that the seminar you attended?

Dalia Burgoin: I think it was called Vision Without Eyes. 

And you walked out into the sun — is that when you started to see? Was it immediate, or did it take effort? What was the process?

Dalia Burgoin: I first started seeing colors — but in the back of my head, which made no sense. I was holding the colors in front of me, but seeing them behind me. I was confused until Wendy came over, excited, and explained what was happening.

Then the next day, she introduced shapes. I started seeing the shapes in front of me. Eventually, a clear, crystal-like window opened, allowing me to read and see everything. Then they introduced patches over my eyes. I was scared I might lose my vision, but we taped my eyes shut, put the patches on, and I could still see. There’s a video of me so excited — it was the first time I was wearing patches and still seeing.

The wildest part was that when I removed the blindfold, the patches made me blind again — but when I put the mask back on, I could see. Taking it off blinded me again. It was all so mind-blowing.

So what is happening? You’ve got a mask on — and I’ve seen you do this in person. It’s absolutely mind-blowing. We’re going to have you demonstrate here in just a moment, but with your eyes covered by the mask, it’s completely… is it dark initially?

Dalia Burgoin: It’s totally dark. I wore the mask for six months before I went to that seminar, trying to figure this out. It was a pitch-black mask for me. What I could see were the outlines of everything in my room. I saw outlines everywhere and could get around really well. It was fun — I called it “dark walking.”

But once I introduced light, that’s when I realized what I’d been missing the whole time. I was trying to figure this out without light, but this is really a light sense. We see with light, so there needed to be some kind of light to open it up.

Okay, so there’s light around you, but technically, the light isn’t penetrating your eyes. The light is penetrating your… what?

Dalia Burgoin: That’s exactly what scientists are trying to figure out. I actually have blind students who have no eyes at all — and they’re seeing that light too.

There’s so much I could say about this. In the last seminar I taught, just last week, we had three blind students. One lost his vision 10 years ago, and he’s 30. Another lost his eyes when he was four, so he had no eyes, and he’s 34 now. The third was born blind.

It was a full seminar with sighted people, telepathy, and telekinesis — my daughter was there, so a lot was happening. Because of that, I only worked with the blind students. I went in early every day and worked with them for about half an hour in the mornings. Sometimes I’d pull them away from the telekinesis class because they were going to be in Superhuman 2, the movie, so I really needed time with them.

By the end of the week — just six days — all three of them were reading, including the man with no eyes.

No way.

Dalia Burgoin: Yes. And we captured it — it’ll be in the movie. The man with no eyes was actually seeing through tables. Consistently. I would shuffle shape cards and put one under the table, and he always knew what it was — without me knowing.

And here’s how I first realized he could already see through things: he was holding a stack of shape cards and said, “Dalia, tell me what’s going on.” Just like when I asked Wendy what was happening when I saw things behind me. He said, “I know this card right here is a closed circle — I know it — but I’m also seeing angles.” He moves the card, and the next card is the angles card.

Then he goes, “Right now, I know this is a diamond, but I’m also seeing an open plus.” He moves the card again — and that’s exactly what it was. It was incredible.

The second student — the one who hadn’t been seen in 10 years — could read very quickly because he’d learned to read in his twenties.

The third one, who lost vision at age four, knew capital letters but never learned lowercase, so I used all capitals with him.

And the student who was born blind could describe shapes based on how they looked to him. For example, when he saw a “W” for the first time, he described it as a “V.” He said, “I’m seeing two angles touching.” I explained that a W looks like two Vs together, and he said, “Oh, that’s why I was seeing it like that.”

Wow, this is mind-blowing.

Dalia Burgoin: I’m so excited for these guys to show the world what’s possible. They all have their own superpowers.

The one who was born blind liked being blindfolded — and so did the man with no eyes. I know it sounds funny, but it shifts the light in a certain way. The man with prosthetic eyes was seeing everything inside his head, and he said, “That’s not how I remember vision being — it’s bothering me.” When he put on the blindfold, the light shifted, and it felt closer to what he remembered, so he preferred being blindfolded.

And so once again, my question is: where — or what sensation — is actually “seeing”? What part of the human experience is perceiving the color, the object, the letters? What’s doing the seeing?

Dalia Burgoin: That’s exactly what a lot of scientists who are working with me right now are trying to figure out, because we don’t know. We don’t know whether it’s the skin or whether there are light sensors in the skin. We don’t know if it’s the spirit coming out and seeing. Sometimes it even feels like that.

It could be a variety of things, and that’s what we’re exploring. What I do know is that I can teach it, and I know you don’t need eyes. You don’t even need actual eyeballs — and you can still see.

And what does it look like when you’re completely covered? What are you seeing in your mind? Is it darkness and then a window? Or is it all very clear? What does it look like?

Dalia Burgoin: It depends on your mood. For me, when I’m stressed or tired, everything looks dark, and sometimes the entire view will close. But usually I’ll see some dark spots and then windows I can see through.

On a relaxed day, it’s like I can see everything — all of this. It almost feels like the mask is above my eyes, but it’s not. Your mind plays tricks on you. Sometimes I even take videos because it feels like the mask is above my eyes, but it’s totally not.

There are a few tests you can do to know you’re using extraocular vision — that’s the scientific term. For example, if I’m holding a card, sometimes with normal eyes, a shadow crosses onto it, or your eyes cross slightly. But with the blindfold on, that never happens. The card stays the same no matter what.

Certain optical illusions also won’t work with the blindfold, but they will work with your physical eyes. And there are blind spots our eyes can’t reach — but extraocular vision can.

I want to be clear: you don’t have to be blindfolded to use extraocular vision. The blindfold is simply an easy way to open the ability and access it.

At first, people often think they’re still using their eyes. I let them think that at first because their reality needs a reason for what’s happening. I’ll purposely put colors somewhere that don’t make sense. They might think they’re using peripheral vision — until I say, “Okay, take off the mask.” When they do, the color disappears.

Sometimes I’ll put the card behind them without telling them, and they think they’re seeing something in front. When they remove the mask, they say, “I thought you were in front of me the whole time!”

Wow.

Dalia Burgoin: I play little tricks like that so people can have the experience for themselves. If you try to explain it, their reality won’t let them accept it. But if they experience it, then it becomes their new reality: This is real. I’ve seen it.

If you don’t mind, before we continue, I’d love for you to demonstrate this ability — because I think it will unlock a lot more questions for the viewer. Is that okay?

Dalia Burgoin: So I actually have a couple of masks. This is the one you usually train with—it’s called the Mindfold mask. A lot of skeptics look at this mask, and honestly, it is totally blacked out. There’s foam completely surrounding the eyes. It’s not possible to peek.

But some skeptics still claim you can cheat by looking through the bottom. So I purposely duct-taped the entire bottom with black duct tape. There are no holes or gaps.

So go ahead — I’ll put this on.

And is there any process you need to go through, or are you immediately ready?

Dalia Burgoin: Immediately ready.

And I notice you’re swaying back and forth. Does that help you feel in the zone? What is that for you?

Dalia Burgoin: It helps me open the windows. I don’t have to sway — I can do it without — but it helps open everything more.

Yeah. Well, feel free. I’m just curious. Okay, she does not know the order of these pieces of paper. They’re just colors. I’ll hold one up…

Dalia Burgoin: That’s yellow. Yeah — yellow.

Correct.

Dalia Burgoin: That’s red. That’s green.

Amazing.

That’s blue.

Geez.

That’s orange-pink.

I’m going to hold something up — this is a card game sitting on my desk — and we’ll see if you can see what it says.

Dalia Burgoin: It says Coyote. It says a Game by Tim Ferriss and Exploding Kittens. An addictive card game of hilarity, high fives, and havoc.

You’re giving me goosebumps, Dalia. I’ve seen this in person, and it’s absolutely unbelievable. And a couple of things come to mind. One, I’m wondering: why do you have this ability? Is it just you? And what’s the point? I mean, it’s amazing — but I don’t want to perceive you as some kind of freak show. I want to see you as a whole human being, while also thinking, Wow, this woman is incredible. Why do you have this ability?

Dalia Burgoin: I think we all have the ability. That’s how I see it. It reminds me of the days when everyone memorized phone numbers — and now most people can’t. It’s a natural human capability we’ve simply stopped using, to the point that we’ve forgotten it exists.

I feel like I’m here to show people that this ability is available — and to help others, especially blind people. I’ve already helped many blind students, and honestly, the ones without eyes often do the best because they don’t overthink it. Blind people with eyes tend to doubt themselves. Once they start seeing, they think they’re cheating or somehow using their physical eyes. They try to cover the light or eliminate it, saying, “I’m seeing light — I need to block it out.” And I tell them, “You couldn’t see two days ago, and now you can. Don’t shut it down.”

Adults often resist and overanalyze the process. Children don’t — they just accept it. But whether sighted or blind, everyone goes through the same sequence: first sensing light, then color, then shapes, and finally fine detail.

What amazes me is that, with only about an hour of training a day, these students are doing incredible things by the end of the week. The man with no eyes hadn’t perceived light in 30 years — and on the first day, he was seeing it. The man who lost his vision 10 years ago had a two-year-old daughter he’d never seen. I showed him a picture of her, and he just cried — seeing her for the first time.

You’re having these experiences over the last year, and at the same time, you’re married, you have four kids, and one of your children — Lidu — has some very special abilities that she’s tapped into as well. Could you tell us a little about Lidu and what life was like before you became aware of her abilities? Did it unfold at the same time as yours? Before? After?

Dalia Burgoin: Lidu is a very special child. She was diagnosed with level three autism, which means she has a difficult time communicating or expressing herself. What her body does doesn’t always match what she feels inside.

They often describe it as if a child like Lidu has tape over their mouth and their arms bound — they can perceive everything in the room, but they can’t communicate that they understand. Many of these kids get mislabeled as unaware or disconnected, but they’re not. They’re fully present — they just can’t express it.

I recognized early on that Lidu was a savant. Even at two years old, she showed signs. I caught her on the computer typing long, complex words — four- and five-syllable words like “outstanding” and “ambidextrous.” There were twelve words on the screen. I remember saying, “I think we have a genius.” My husband thought she was delayed because she wasn’t speaking, but I’d never met a two-year-old who could do that.

She also created advanced artwork — such as papier-mâché and detailed installations — without instruction. Once, I walked into the bathroom and saw toilet paper rolls all over the wall. At first, I thought she made a mess — but she had created a mural. It was beautiful.

She was also unusually comfortable in front of crowds. Kids with her level of autism usually struggle with overstimulation, but she thrived. I put her in Miss Amazing pageants — pageants for girls with disabilities — and she loved the audience. It energized her.

Lidu also seemed to know everything. I thought she must have ultra-sensitive hearing, like my own extrasensory hearing training — because she always knew what was going on, even when she shouldn’t have. I’d buy her presents, and she’d come over smiling like, “Mommy, what did you do?” I had no idea how she knew.

Before we discovered spelling to communicate, she could spell but couldn’t converse. Once, while driving, I tried to put on a song she liked. I couldn’t remember the name, and she kept saying, “Mommy, give me the phone.” After twenty minutes of struggling, I handed it to her, and she immediately put the song on. I remember thinking, Did she read my mind?

When she was eleven, I finally learned about spelling to communicate. A friend of mine had a son — nineteen years old, nonverbal — whom I’d known since he was twelve. He had the same type of autism. I joined them for a session, and he was spelling out eloquent, funny, intelligent responses. I couldn’t believe it. He also referenced things we talked about in the car earlier, and I felt so rude — I didn’t know he understood. I would have included him in the conversation if I’d known.

He told me directly that nothing was worse than being in a “silent prison,” and he urged me to bring Lidu.

So the next week, I enrolled her. Immediately, she started spelling her first words — intelligent, deep words. I felt joy, shock, and guilt all at once. I had spoken to her like she was five when she was eleven.

Within six months, she could express full paragraphs with her provider. I would travel an hour every couple of weeks just to talk to her — it was the most incredible gift.

Around the two-year mark, Lidu finally opened up to me, and that’s when she began telling me about her experiences and abilities. I noticed she always knew the answers when I taught her something — even things she shouldn’t logically know. I asked her if she had access to some kind of spiritual internet. She said, “This time it’s because I knew the answer.”

But soon she began revealing more. I was talking to her about how we all have different skills, and I asked if she had any abilities we didn’t know about. She spelled, “I can discern spirits.”

I asked what she meant, and she said she can see spirits and tell them apart. That opened a whole new rabbit hole.

During Día de los Muertos a couple of years ago, I asked if she saw any family members around. She said many widows were visiting, and she had been helping them pass — women who died while their children were still young. She said she was one of the few they could communicate with.

I remember asking, “So you’re going to school like a normal teenager and doing ‘Sixth Sense’ stuff at the same time?” She said, “Yes.”

She told me about mentors she had growing up, and so much more. It blew my mind for months until it became my new normal.

At my last seminar, I had Lidu join as a small instructor, giving her an hour to talk and answer questions.

And just to continue and clarify — I want people to know she’s talking through a letter board, by touching the letters. So keep going. She’s instructing the class?

Dalia Burgoin: Yes. I’ve brought Lidu to many seminars and speaking events where she demonstrates telepathy. When I first realized she had this telepathic ability, I was completely mind-blown.

Now, because this is what she wants, I bring her to seminars and give her about an hour so she can help people with their mindset — to see that we’re capable of so much more than we think.

The first thing Lidu does is demonstrate simple telepathy. We’ll play something like hangman. Someone chooses a long word — maybe a sixteen-letter word — and Lidu will immediately spell the entire word on the letter board, in order.

Describe the setup real quick. There’s a whiteboard, you pull somebody out of the audience… who chooses the word? How does that work?

Dalia Burgoin: Usually, I use a random word generator, and a volunteer chooses a word. I just ask them to pick a bigger word — like a sixteen-letter word.

Then Lidu picks it up telepathically. To make it easier, I usually have her read my mind, but she can also tune into someone else’s as long as they’re okay with it and they give permission. We just keep it simple and use my mind most of the time.

I’ve seen this happen, you all. Lidu is sitting next to Dalia and immediately types out all sixteen letters on the letter board. I’ve seen it over and over — it’s absolutely stunning.

Dalia Burgoin: We also play other games. Someone in the audience will silently ask a question, and Lidu will answer it on the letter board without seeing or hearing it. Or I’ll have someone look up a picture and show it only to me—and Lidu will describe it. If there are words in the image, I’ll ask her to spell them.

Lidu and I share experiences too. If I read a book, I can talk with her about it afterward, and she’ll give me insights beyond what I considered — pointing out parts I didn’t focus on. It’s like she has access to the same information, but not necessarily my opinion about it. She forms her own viewpoint.

Even this conversation — when she gets home from school, I can talk to her about it, and she’ll tell me her favorite parts, referencing moments I’m not even thinking about anymore. She simply has access.

I’m curious—I saw on a recent podcast you talking about her visiting a friend in that friend’s dream. That story was incredible. Would you mind sharing it?

Dalia Burgoin: She does that a lot — visiting people in dreams. I think you’re talking about the Sonic the Hedgehog story.

A friend of mine in South Africa messaged me one night and said, “Dalia, did Lidu just visit me?” I told her I didn’t know and that I’d ask. I walked into Lidu’s room, and she had this mischievous smile on her face. I asked, “What are you smiling at?” and she said verbally, “It was me.”

I grabbed the letter board and asked her to explain. She spelled out, “I repeated Sonic.”

What my friend had told me was that she woke up hearing “Sonic, Sonic, Sonic” over and over. My daughter is obsessed with Sonic the Hedgehog — that’s how my friend guessed it was Lidu.

When I asked Lidu why she did it, she spelled, “Because she asked.” My friend later admitted that for three days she had been asking Lidu silently, “Can you hear me? Will you let me know?” She expected Lidu to respond through the letter board, but I hadn’t used the board with Lidu for a couple of days. Visiting her in a dream was the fastest way Lidu could respond.

Telepathy is a big deal for Lidu. She wants the world to know it’s not something mystical — she wants it to become common knowledge. So she’s been teaching my business partner (the one I run seminars with) and me how to practice telepathy in our dreams.

After our last seminar, we finally set the intention to really work with her guidance — and it started working. We were both having dreams where we were practicing telepathy successfully. Lidu teaches us in our dreams almost every night.

The hardest part is remembering the dream afterward — especially because I have to get up and get the kids ready for school — but when it’s a teaching dream, I can often recall it.

Dream lessons… how do I sign up for that?

Dalia Burgoin: At our last seminar, on the first day, everyone was already mind-blown by Lidu. I asked her on the letter board, “Do you have any messages for anyone in the room?”

She called out three people and gave each of them messages that only they could truly understand. One of them was the man with no eyes. She spelled his name differently from how he currently writes it. I apologized and said, “I don’t know why she spelled it like that.”

Then Lidu spelled, “You’re going to see again.” He started crying. Later, he told us that the way she spelled his name was actually the original spelling— he had only changed it about a year earlier. It was incredible.

Seeing all of this — the telepathy, the blindfold vision, the telekinesis demonstrations with our friend Chris Fazio (he does telekinesis and electrokinesis) — and then having my business partner guide everyone into a modeling state through hypnosis so they could learn faster… the whole group went so far.

By the end, everyone was able to do some version of what we demonstrated at the start. Some people picked up telepathy really well.

One facilitator, Nikki, had a vision of a man holding papers to a wall, and they stuck there. I suggested, “Let’s try it with coins.” So we all tried, and people were able to make coins stick to the wall — and those coins stayed there for days.

Then we decided to experiment with apporting — making something appear that wasn’t there before. We had a cup with a hundred pennies across the room. Everyone put two pennies in their pocket and showed each other: “Look, I only have two.”

Then we guided everyone to get up with their spirit bodies, cross the room, grab a penny, and bring it back. We did this three times. Each time, at least one person — sometimes two — ended up with an extra penny in their pocket.

We captured all of it on video, and I believe it will be in the Superhuman 2 movie as well.

You’re talking about a documentary called Superhuman that’s coming out.

Dalia Burgoin: Yes. The first Superhuman came out about six years ago. It was made by Caroline Cory and showed children using blindfold vision — and, I believe, one adult as well.

This new film focuses on blind people seeing. She filmed me demonstrating, too, but the emphasis is really on the blind individuals and their progress. She also features the man who does electrokinesis — lighting lightbulbs with his hands, shocking people, all of that.

The new movie will come out next year and showcase everything I’ve been talking about.

How do you navigate or deal with people who think, “You’re using your eyes,” or, “This is fake,” or, “You’re somehow communicating with your daughter”? How do you handle the skepticism?

Dalia Burgoin: For me, it’s simple — I know this is going to become common knowledge. With that bigger picture in mind, I don’t pay attention to skeptics. I don’t read comments. I don’t rewatch my videos. I just know where this is heading.

So many scientists are working with me now, and they’re excited. And I also know that once this becomes common knowledge, the same people who called it fake will pretend they believed it from the beginning. That’s just human nature.

Lidu also guides me — she has precognition. She tells me what is going to happen. For example, she tells me when I’m going to be invited to something. She has never been wrong.

There have been times when I felt worried about skepticism, and she would say, “The few naysayers you get won’t bother you after the seminar.” And she was right — especially after this last seminar, where everything unfolded so quickly.

I’d helped blind people before, but this was the first time I saw it work so fast with so little training. I used to think they needed six hours a day with me for a whole week. Now I know they don’t — an hour a day is enough. It blew my mind.

How do you navigate caring for Lidu and helping her manage the opportunities coming in — scientists wanting to work with her, telepathy recordings, podcasts, everything? How do you decide what to pursue? Do you have a matrix of values, or how do you navigate that?

Dalia Burgoin: It’s always Lidu who tells me. She says, “This is what I’m supposed to do.” And I always make sure I feel good about it too. But there’s never been a time she said to do something, and I felt uneasy.

If I’m the one wanting something, she’ll stop me and say, “No, Mom, we can’t do that. It won’t help us evolve.” She’s very clear.

My role is to keep her grounded and protected. She’s powerful, and she’s still young. She says a big part of my role is to bring attention to this work, which I never would’ve chosen on my own.

I’ve been in spiritual work for years, had a healing practice, but never an online presence. It was always word of mouth. I never wanted to be public. But once my blindfold vision opened up, and Lidu’s telepathy became undeniable, I knew — even before she said it — that we were meant to bring this to the world. She confirmed it: we’re supposed to help this become common knowledge.

And how do you navigate that with your other kids, who are also gifted and important? How do you manage that balance?

Dalia Burgoin: It’s not easy. A lot of people don’t realize that before every event — even this one in Utah — I’m bathing the kids, getting them ready for school, juggling them, putting them to bed at night, and then going back to the event.

My kids get sad when I leave. So lately, I’ve been trying to bring them with me more often. I’m still figuring it out. They’re very young: two, four, and six. They understand that Lidu and I are doing important work — that we teach people — but they don’t yet grasp the full picture.

They also see Lidu’s abilities as part of their reality. Sometimes they get sad, like, “How come Lidu can do this and I can’t?” But they have abilities too — things I’m only just discovering.

For example, my six-year-old has something she calls “sleep talking.” When someone else is asleep, she can see their dreams and talk to them while she’s awake. They can communicate with her while she sleeps.

I discovered it one day when my four-year-old was asleep on the couch and I was working on my computer. My six-year-old suddenly said, “Mommy, she’s having a dream that she wet her pants.”

I asked how she knew, and she said, “She told me.”

I started questioning her gently, and she explained it’s called sleep talking. She said she tried to do it with me the night before, but I didn’t hear her because I was on the computer. She said, “I told you I loved you, and you didn’t say it back.” She thought I didn’t love her, and I reassured her I just didn’t hear her.

Then my four-year-old sat up briefly, half asleep, and when I asked what she was dreaming about, she said she had dreamt she wet her pants — exactly what her sister said.

I went to ask Lidu if she knew about this ability, and she said, “Of course.”

What are some of the opportunities that have opened up for you and Lidu — scientific studies, seminars, speaking engagements? What are some of the exciting things happening?

Dalia Burgoin: A lot of people are excited about both of these abilities — the extraocular vision and Lidu’s telepathy. We’re working with Dr. Diane Powell on The Telepathy Tapes, and they’re studying Lidu at Stanford University. Harvard is also interested in learning about independent telepathy — telepathy done without me holding the board for her. That’s what they’re documenting right now: her independent telepathy.

And that’s one of the reasons she isn’t able to join us today — because she’s under contract and can’t appear on video.

Dalia Burgoin: Yes. And even if she weren’t under contract, she’s still a minor, and skeptics are out there. I wouldn’t want to put her on videos publicly for that reason alone.

Other exciting opportunities are coming too. There are researchers who have studied extraocular vision for years who told me they’ve never seen students progress so quickly or do the things they did at the last seminar. They asked what made it different.

The only thing I can think of is this: most instructors who teach extraocular vision don’t actually have the ability themselves. They teach it, but they don’t do it. Because I have it, I can sense where the students are and push them a little further.

Several groups have asked me to train new sets of students while they fly out and document everything from beginning to end. I’ve also been asked to work in blind hospitals and with patients there. I haven’t done it yet, but it’s in the works — and I’m very excited.

At first, people kept asking me to prove it. I’m not interested in proving anything. I already know it’s real. All I care about is understanding how it works. So I tell people: if you’re a scientist who wants to explore how it works, I’m happy to work with you. But if you’re here to question whether it’s happening or not, I’m not interested. We should be past that point.

I know you’ve touched on this, but I’m curious about your ultimate vision for how this unfolds. How will your work impact the world?

Dalia Burgoin: I think the biggest piece is understanding that our human potential is so much higher than what we’re currently living.

A lot of people are already talking to me about getting this into schools — making it part of a new type of education. I’ve had people who build schools tell me they want extraocular vision in their curriculum. So I see this becoming common knowledge, especially once science backs it.

As Lidu always tells me, “The world speaks the language of science.” If a scientist says something, people believe it. So once science fully understands this and can explain it, it becomes undeniable.

At our last seminar, a researcher who does brain mapping tested my brain, the blind man with no eyes, and a few other students. He told me what he found was extremely interesting. With some children who already had extra vision, he noticed they shifted from normal beta waves into strong beta and alpha waves once blindfolded.

He hasn’t told me my results yet, but he says they’re fascinating and he wants to announce them publicly. I’ll find out this week.

And the implications for someone without sight are enormous. But for those who have physical sight, what does cultivating these abilities mean? Why does it matter?

Dalia Burgoin: For me, it’s paradigm-shifting. It shows you how much more you’re capable of.

Hakim Isler — the one who ran the PSI Games — explained it beautifully. He asked his students: “How would you feel if you suddenly lost your vision tomorrow?” They said they were devastated. “What if you lost your hearing? Your sense of smell?” Again — devastated.

Then he asked, “Okay, now what if instead of losing those senses, you amplified them all by ten? And it didn’t overwhelm you?” The kids said, “Well, that sounds amazing.”

That’s what this work is — amplifying human potential.

For Lidu, the biggest implication is telepathy. She believes once people communicate telepathically, misunderstandings and lies disappear. Telepathy transfers the whole thought — including the story behind it — so compassion becomes automatic.

If she reads the mind of a bully, she sees why he is a bully, and she feels compassion. There’s very little ego or anger left when communication is that transparent.

Everything we’re doing leads toward a telepathic future. That’s what Lidu says.

And I imagine if someone could read my mind, I’d want to clean up some of my thoughts. It would naturally raise consciousness.

Dalia Burgoin: Yes. But also, no one can read your thoughts unless you want them to. Telepathy requires willingness. It’s not intrusive. As I understand it, the thoughts you don’t want shared simply aren’t accessible to you.

Dalia, thank you so much for your willingness to share your journey, your story, and your gifts. I admire what you’ve cultivated — and maybe even more, I admire your heart. Your desire to serve, to help humanity, to support those who are struggling, shines so clearly. Thank you for sharing your heart with us today.

Dalia Burgoin: Thank you. I feel so honored. I don’t feel like I did anything to deserve this mission — it feels like an honor I was given. Lidu told me this was something we decided beforehand, but I still feel humbled by it.

I’m just trying to do my best, stay authentic, and serve. When I’m on stage, I’m not trying to impress anyone. I’m trying to inspire by being as authentic as possible.