Cosmic Disclosure Isn’t About Aliens—It’s About Finally Knowing the Truth – An Interview with Joshua Golembeske

What happens when the search for truth leads beyond Earth—and straight into the nature of consciousness itself?

For Joshua Golembeske, the journey from editing reality TV to becoming a leading voice in the disclosure movement wasn’t planned—it was inevitable. A lifelong fascination with UFOs, a childhood encounter that cracked open his worldview, and decades of firsthand conversations with experiencers, whistleblowers, and military insiders eventually guided him to Gaia, where he now serves as Senior Director of Production and a guest host on Cosmic Disclosure.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Joshua shares what he’s learned from those closest to the phenomenon—why disclosure is a process, not a single event; how non-human intelligence intersects with human consciousness; and why encounters often catalyze profound spiritual transformation. From the mysterious Buga Sphere to the deeper questions of who we are and where we’re going, this dialogue invites us to look beyond fear, stigma, and skepticism—and into a much larger story unfolding in our time. Continue reading or listen in by subscribing for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, or YouTube to explore how disclosure may be reshaping humanity’s understanding of reality itself.

I want to hear about your very first experience of connecting with an awareness of intelligence outside of what originated here on Earth. I know the language around this can feel awkward—words like “aliens” or “ETs” can sound crass. So how did you experience this different intelligence?

Joshua Golembeske: I usually call them “people” or “ETs.” I think ETs feel a little safer. “Aliens” can sound kind of lowbrow, but it’s okay—most people still say it. We’re all just trying to figure this out.

I’ve been fascinated with this stuff since I was a child, for two main reasons. One was a UFO event that happened in my town that really sparked my interest. The other was my family. There’s something going on there that’s always felt significant—this generational aspect of contact with non-human intelligence. I’ll get into that in a bit.

But the event that really broke me open happened in the early ’90s. It was the summer before sixth grade. I was about twelve or thirteen. There was a UFO incident in my area, and I’ll break it down.

Where was this?

Joshua Golembeske: Right—sorry, I should give you the basics. This was in Little Compton, Rhode Island, right on the water. It was summertime, so I wasn’t in school.

I was in my backyard with my dad. I don’t even remember what he was doing. I had my pet guinea pig outside—his name was Guinea Guy, which doesn’t matter to the story at all, but it’s a detail I always remember. I was letting him run around in the yard.

All of a sudden, my neighbor ran over. He worked out of his garage and lived kind of that country life—we were surrounded by forest, right near the coast. He listened to police scanners all day, and he came running over saying, “The police are chasing a UFO. The police are chasing…”

He didn’t even finish the sentence. Something went over all three of our heads—fast, like lightning. It cast a shadow on the ground. We all looked up and… nothing. We didn’t actually see anything, which was a bit of a letdown.

But almost immediately, we heard the police. On the scanner, they were asking permission to enter my town. I lived right on the border, so different police departments were coordinating. Apparently, they’d been chasing this thing for a while.

Then the police cars came ripping up my road. I lived at the edge of town, farthest from the ocean. They followed this object all the way to the coastline, where it flew out over the ocean and disappeared into the distance.

It was described as a classic silver, disc-shaped UFO. It made the papers. Every time I go home and try to find the article, it’s like it’s missing—which is interesting in itself. But everyone remembers the incident because it was all over the local media in the ’90s, and then it just vanished.

I wish there were more to that story, because a lot of times when people have close UFO encounters, more things happen afterward. But that was it, at least in terms of that specific event. Whether it was ours, an experimental aircraft, or true non-human intelligence, it caused a stir. It cracked something open in me.

That said, my mind was already primed for this. The soil was already rich. I grew up around unusual experiences—not just UFO-related. I came from a family where strange things happened all the time, and we talked about it openly.

Really—your parents were into it? Were they okay processing it?

Joshua Golembeske: Oh, absolutely. My dad loves sci-fi and UFOs. On my mom’s side of the family—really, on both sides—I was related to almost everyone in my town, which made dating later on difficult. But it was my mom’s side where the truly strange things happened.

There’s a generational farmhouse near the water that my mom still lives in today. We’ve had it for generations—a big old house—and it’s always been considered haunted. Even now, some of my aunts won’t sleep there when they visit. A lot has happened in that house, and I’ll get into it, but to set the stage: growing up, there were what you’d call classic ghost experiences.

People would see apparitions—shadow figures, orbs. There were also strange time anomalies. You’d hear things from what felt like another era. I’ve experienced this myself. You’d be walking through the house and suddenly hear old-timey music, like people laughing, playing cards, having fun. It sounded unmistakably like the 1800s. And then you’d walk into the room where the sound was coming from… and nothing was there.

And why would they stay there? Why wouldn’t they move?

Joshua Golembeske: To me, it didn’t feel like ghosts in the traditional sense. It felt more like a time slip. It was more of a “What are we actually hearing right now?” kind of experience.

What’s interesting, David, is that there were definitely things that seemed like classic ghost stories. There’s a well-known family story about my aunt—back when braces still had rubber bands—waking up in the middle of the night, screaming. All the rubber bands snapped out of her mouth because something was standing at the foot of her bed. A giant shadow figure. That’s terrifying when you think about it.

But I don’t actually think it was a ghost. I don’t think they were experiencing something “paranormal” in the usual sense. What I later came to understand is that all of this was connected to ET contact.

From my research, the phenomenon follows families generationally. If your grandparents had close encounters with UFOs, there’s a strong chance you will too. In my case, I traced it back to my great-great-grandmother, who had an up-close UFO sighting in Michigan before the family moved east.

All of these things happened across my family line. One of my aunts—I’ll keep her name private, since she just retired—ran a major pharmaceutical company. But growing up, she was essentially the real-life version of the kid from The Sixth Sense. That character was based on real people.

She would see dead people. They would appear either in her mind’s eye or sometimes physically, and they’d come to her with problems—just like in the movie. They didn’t speak out loud, but one story in particular still blows my mind.

She had repeated contact with a man who kept showing her an image of money buried under a tree. He would also show her his daughter and indicate that she worked with my aunt in some capacity. Eventually, my aunt tracked this woman down and said, “This is going to sound crazy, but your dad has been coming to me. I believe there’s about $30,000 buried under a tree, and this is the tree and the location.”

The daughter stopped her and said, “Wait—that’s my dad’s favorite tree.”

They went out there and dug. What they found was something like $29,886.

No way.

Joshua Golembeske: Yeah. I love that he wasn’t 100% accurate—but he was pretty close.

Did she get a cut of that money?

Joshua Golembeske: I think she got a couple of hundred bucks out of it. Yeah. It was so unbelievable that they wanted to give her something.

At the time, I remember thinking, okay, that’s wild, but it just seemed like psychic ability, right? But what I’ve come to understand is that it wasn’t isolated. It was regular contact. I’ve talked directly with experiencers—like Whitley Strieber—about this. Ongoing contact can unlock psychic gifts.

I even made a documentary about a guy who developed psychic abilities after contact. There’s something about UFOs and non-human intelligence that activates something in you, and it’s also connected to the place you’re in. That farmhouse is strange—it feels like a time slip. You hear things from the past; you see shadow figures and orbs. What is all of that?

Some of it, I think, is definitely ET-related. And some of it feels like when something comes through the membrane, other things can come through too. Things shift. Dimensions shift. So I don’t think it’s just ETs showing up. It’s more like they arrive, and reality itself starts behaving differently. That’s what fascinates me.

The short version is that multiple people in my family have had unusual experiences and psychic abilities. Even my mom has had classic UFO encounters—like seeing three gray beings looking at her through a window. She’d be terrified, and then suddenly feel calm, like, oh, this is fine, and just lie back down and go to sleep. That’s actually very common in contact experiences, where something makes you feel okay about it.

Some of this sounds scary, but I’m not here for the fear narrative. Most people who eventually unlock these memories come out the other side with a very different understanding, and I want to talk about that more on this podcast.

So, what other experiences have you had with direct contact? Have there been others besides that incident where the UFO—or UAP—flew over? Am I supposed to say UFO or UAP?

Joshua Golembeske: It’s funny—UAP is kind of inside baseball. It’s mostly used by people deeply involved in the subject. I actually still use UFO and “alien” on purpose because that’s what most people relate to.

As for other experiences—yes. Besides that first UFO incident, the biggest one where I really saw something happened about ten years ago, inside that same farmhouse. Of all places, right? The place where all the weird stuff already happens.

I had just gotten back from dinner. My wife and I were upstairs, in the bathroom, getting ready for bed. I looked out the window and saw this giant orb in the sky—miles away, though it was hard to tell exactly how far. It was pulsing and slowly moving upward.

I said, “Okay… that’s a little weird. Honey, look at this.”
She looked and said, “Yeah, that is weird.” We tried to rationalize it. There are military bases to the north. Maybe it’s experimental. Maybe it’s a helicopter coming toward us, moving slightly upward. There were plenty of possible explanations.

And then, all of a sudden—classic Close Encounters of the Third Kind—it changed. It turned into what looked like Christmas tree lights: red, green, and other colors. Then it started jumping huge distances across the sky—instantly, back and forth. Boom. Boom. Boom. Then it snapped back to the center, kept that light pattern, and just continued straight up, higher and higher, until it disappeared into space.

It didn’t come toward us. It didn’t fly away horizontally. It just went straight up.

My wife looked at me and said, “Okay. I think I believe you now.” Up until then, she was on the fence. She thought UFOs were kind of a fun idea—maybe they’re real, maybe not, whatever. This was before I went full-time into this work, back when I was still doing reality TV in LA.

She’s never been as deep into it as I am, but she’s completely open now.

After that, nothing else happened. We were just blown away. But the stigma was still heavy. When I told people outside my family—my family gets it—others were like, “Josh, that’s crazy. I don’t know what you’re talking about.” It really hit me how strong the stigma still was.

That was one major incident. The other one—and I know you’ll probably want to get into this later—happened this year, when I encountered the Buga Sphere.

I went down there thinking it was a hoax. But after interviewing the people studying it—the engineers, the researchers—I came to believe it’s the real deal. For anyone who doesn’t know, the Buga Sphere is a basketball-sized metallic sphere that was filmed from multiple angles and found in Buga, Colombia. It’s now being studied by researchers at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, along with engineers from around the world, including NASA contractors.

I’ll go deeper into that later. But that was another extraordinary moment.

I had just arrived in Mexico and gotten sick—classic travel mistake, drinking the water. I was feeling rough. I walked into this office, and suddenly, there were all these NASA-affiliated people, Dr. Steven Greer, and even a U.S. congressman in the room. We have a relationship with Jaime Maussan and the group that currently has custody of the sphere.

I walk in, and they say, “Do you want to hold it?”

So I did. I was feeling sick, but the moment I picked it up, something hit me. I remember thinking, these inscriptions are really strange. I held it for about fifty seconds. I sent you the clip—it’s about 48 seconds long—of me holding it, and you can see how affected I was.

I don’t think anything “activated.” I don’t think something strange happened energetically, because it seemed inert. What hit me was the gravity of the moment—Am I really holding a UFO? Is this actually happening right now?

It was incredible. And there’s so much more to say about the Buga Sphere.

I definitely want to get into that in a bit. But I want to backtrack to your career first. You mentioned working in reality TV, and you’ve been part of some huge projects—Keeping Up with the Kardashians, Bad Girls Club. Those are massive shows. How do you go from that world to Gaia? What did that transition look like for you?

Joshua Golembeske: Yeah… I mean, honestly, David, I was part of the problem. I like to joke that I was actively dumbing down America—editing some of the most addictive, lowest-common-denominator content.

That said, the people I worked with were amazing, and the company was good to me. It was an easy schedule, which helped while I was raising kids. But Bad Girls Club in particular—oh my god. I remember thinking, What am I doing with my life? I was in my mid-thirties, cutting this chaotic content day after day, and it really wore on me.

That feeling became a big part of what pushed me toward Gaia. I wasn’t depressed exactly, but I was definitely in a kind of early midlife crisis. Just asking myself, What am I actually doing?

Then I started seeing ads for Gaia. I saw shows like Beyond Belief, Cosmic Disclosure, Ancient Civilizations, and Deep Space. And I was like, Whoa. That’s where I should be. That’s my people.

So I signed up for the platform and started watching obsessively. I loved the content. And almost immediately, I applied for a job. I remember thinking, They’re going to see that I just signed up and immediately applied.

Was there actually a job opening, or were you just like, “I’m coming—I’m joining the team”?

Joshua Golembeske: They did have job openings—producers, editors, that kind of thing. I applied for a producer position. But it took a full year before I was hired.

At that point in my life, I was more of a post-producer than a field producer, and they didn’t really have a role for that yet. Then, about a year later, my boss—who is now the CEO of Gaia, Kirsten—hired me and brought me out of LA. And that was honestly the best thing that ever happened to me.

I had been raising two kids in Santa Monica, which is beautiful, but I was living in a condo—paying an outrageous amount of money for a tiny place with a view of a fence. I went from that to living in a house on the side of a mountain.

Suddenly, I was going to work every day, talking about consciousness, transformation, and UFOs. It completely changed my life. Gaia has been incredibly good to me.

Amazing. What is your role at Gaia now, and what kinds of projects are you involved in?

Joshua Golembeske: My primary role is Senior Director of Production—basically the head of production. I oversee four producing teams, totaling about 30 people, creating original content. We’re always in motion: pre-production, development, shooting, post, multiple projects happening at once.

It’s a lot of work, but it’s genuinely a joy. I’m deeply interested in almost everything we produce. The role itself involves budgeting, scheduling, hiring, approvals—both creative and logistical—watching cuts, shaping shows. It’s the full scope of being head of production.

In addition to that, I also moonlight as a guest host on some of our programs. I was a co-host on Into the Vortex with Jimmy Church, and more recently, I’ve done around twenty to twenty-five episodes of one of our flagship shows, Cosmic Disclosure. That’s been incredible—because I’m basically a fan who gets to sit across from special forces guys and ask them questions.

But the role that really keeps the lights on day to day is the head of production. I’ve been in that position for about five years. Before that, I was head of post-production, where I built and managed the post department. Eventually, I moved into front-end production, which is a completely different job—but I love it. It’s amazing.

How does it feel to go from hands-on editing—being deep in the work—to now overseeing so much of it? There’s a strategic side, of course, but also a huge administrative load. What has that transition been like for you?

Joshua Golembeske: When I first made the shift, I honestly wondered if I’d made the right move. Working with editors and post-production has a very different kind of stress. Front-end production is… a lot more fiery.

You’re dealing with talent, complicated personalities, and technical issues—there’s just more intensity. Post-production still has deadlines and pressure, of course, but it’s generally a bit more contained, a little calmer.

Front-end work is more exciting in many ways, but the drama definitely goes up. That’s part of it.

I do miss the creative side sometimes, because my job isn’t as creatively hands-on as it used to be. But I really love leading a team and helping push out conscious content that can genuinely change the world. That makes it worth it.

I have tough days, like anyone. But when I do, I try to check myself. I’ll look in the mirror and say, Your job is awesome, Josh. You’re incredibly lucky. It could have been anyone. Gratitude really helps keep me grounded.

Some days are just work—dealing with stuff you’d rather not deal with—but that’s true of any job. Today, though, is a good day. I get to have an amazing conversation with a very kind gentleman.

What do you enjoy most about your role? Beyond the logistics and technical layers, what are the parts that really light you up?

Joshua Golembeske: For me, it’s really about the people involved in disclosure. We do a lot at Gaia—I love meeting spiritual teachers and luminaries, and that’s powerful work—but my heart is with the UFO subject.

The real joy is bringing people onto the platform—whether I’m hosting or not—who have direct knowledge or experience, and getting to talk to them about what they know. It starts with being a fan, and then you realize just how serious this all is. How real it is.

You see how committed these individuals are, and you begin to understand how disclosure could genuinely change the world. Being part of that movement—especially right now—feels huge. It really does feel like we’re living in the age of disclosure, not just because documentaries are coming out, but because something is shifting.

For me personally, it’s the connection between non-human intelligence and consciousness—and hearing directly from people who’ve experienced that and are trying to bring the truth forward.

That said, you have to be careful. There are a lot of charlatans out there. One of the hardest parts of this work is discerning who’s authentic and who isn’t.

You mentioned the show Cosmic Disclosure. Why are you always just a guest host? What’s the deal? Why can’t we get you as the full-time host? What’s the hang-up here?

Joshua Golembeske: Oh, I would love to be the full-time host. We do have a main host, and when you’ve been doing something for eight years, sometimes you’re just not available. But the show has to go on—it’s too important. That’s usually where I come in.

It’s also good to have a backup host. And yeah, I’m ready anytime. I’ll jump in whenever needed, whether it’s Cosmic Disclosure or another show.

At its core, the show is a platform for whistleblowers, both civilian and military, to come forward and share their experiences related to secret space programs, now commonly referred to as the “legacy program.” That’s a term people are still getting used to, but it’s been coming up in Congress and in whistleblower testimony. It’s real.

This is a space where people can come forward and speak openly, without judgment.

Talk to us about this term “disclosure.” You’ve been saying disclosure is happening, that we’re in it already. What do you mean by that? Is it a single event? Is it a slow unfolding? For people who aren’t educated in this area, help us understand.

Joshua Golembeske: We’re already in disclosure—it’s happening now. It’s a process, not a single event. There will probably be a moment that feels like the disclosure moment, but it’s already underway.

I’d say it really began in 2017, when Luis Elizondo—who ran a UFO program for the Pentagon—went to The New York Times and released information publicly. Since then, it’s been escalating. A lot of people still aren’t aware, but over the past few years, the stigma has gone down, and awareness has gone up dramatically.

We’ve had three consecutive years of congressional hearings on UFOs and UAPs. And now Congress is angry—because they’re realizing there have been black-budget programs operating for at least eighty years without proper oversight.

According to testimony, particularly from people like David Grusch—an intelligence officer who used to deliver the Presidential Daily Brief to President Obama—there’s been a long-standing legacy program with three main components.

The first is crash retrieval. I know how crazy that sounds—UFOs crashing—but that’s what’s been testified. Either they crash, they’re found, or in some cases, they’re believed to have been gifted. That part alone could be its own conversation.

The second part involves aerospace companies reverse-engineering this technology. They’ve been trying to do that for decades. And this is where the most exciting part of disclosure comes in—because that technology could radically change the world. But it’s been hidden.

The third arm of the program has been about ridicule and fear—managing public perception. On one hand, the media has portrayed extraterrestrials as terrifying through movies and TV. On the other hand, they’ve made the subject something people feel free to mock.

It’s a powerful combination. You’re scared of it, and you’re encouraged to ridicule it. It’s one of the few topics where people feel completely justified in making fun of someone. You can believe in almost anything—religion, spirituality, obscure philosophies—and people will respect it. But say you’ve seen a UFO, and suddenly you’re a joke.

That’s not accidental. That’s programming. People become self-appointed defenders of the status quo.

I can go on forever about this, so pull me back in if I start ranting.

And what’s the fear? Why would the government want to instill fear of other intelligent life forms?

Joshua Golembeske: At a basic level, it’s about power and control. There’s also the desire to weaponize space. The argument you’ll hear is that if this technology were released, it could fall into the wrong hands.

For example, imagine a free-energy device the size of a basketball that could power the entire eastern seaboard for three days. If something like that were misused, it could be dangerous. That’s the justification.

But honestly, I think that argument falls apart. We already manage and regulate extremely powerful technologies—like nuclear energy. We know how to handle that.

The deeper issue is that disclosure threatens existing power structures, especially the oil and energy industries. If this technology were released, the world would change almost overnight. Within a decade, we could potentially eliminate poverty and dramatically reduce war. Most wars are fought over resources.

If free energy were available globally, everything would shift.

And I’m not asking anyone to take my word for it. You don’t have to believe me—listen to the people who have testified under oath. This has been rumored for decades, but now we know enough to say it’s real.

The technology is the most important part of disclosure. That’s why people should be excited. Energy systems alone would revolutionize the planet. Propulsion systems would transform how we travel—both on Earth and in space.

There may also be medical technologies—though I’m more cautious there—that could radically change how we treat disease. I won’t put all my chips on that yet. But when it comes to energy and propulsion, the evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt.

This is real. Now it’s about bringing it into the open.

You mentioned that there could be—or will be—a particular “event,” as you put it in quotation marks. What do you sense that event might be? When do you think it could happen, and what would be involved?

Joshua Golembeske: There’s a lot of hype around 2027 right now. That’s coming from a few different places—channelers like Bashar talk about 2027, and whistleblowers suggest that something significant is imminent. Even people like Luis Elizondo have hinted at this.

I’m not someone who wants to lock into a specific date, but it does feel like we’re escalating toward something around that timeframe. If you’re really following this closely—as I am—you can feel the momentum building. There’s a lot happening in Congress, both publicly and behind the scenes. I’m in contact with some of these people, and there’s real frustration. Some members of Congress are genuinely angry, asking, What is going on? At the same time, there are others actively fighting to keep everything closed.

So what would this “event” actually be?

One possibility is that it has to come from the President. We’ve already had high-level officials speak out—Marco Rubio, multiple generals, and intelligence officers. So in a sense, the information is already out there. But there’s a psychological difference when the President stands up and says, This is real. We have programs. This is happening.

Another possibility—something Bashar and others talk about—is open contact. That raises a bigger question: who’s really in charge of disclosure? Is it us, or is it them?

There’s a sense that non-human intelligence has been guiding this process—showing itself gradually, contacting certain people, easing us into it. It almost feels like the entire phenomenon is a mechanism for consciousness expansion. The point isn’t just to prove that other beings exist, but to expand our understanding of reality itself—the nature of the universe and the oneness we all share not just among humans, but across all forms of intelligence.

So yes, I think open contact is absolutely on the table. And if the President comes forward first—which, with this administration, feels very possible—that could set the stage for more open contact afterward. Once the population accepts it, people may become far more open to direct interaction.

You could even argue that this is already escalating. The volume of videos, sightings, and firsthand accounts coming out now is incredible. It feels like we’re being slowly prepared for something much bigger.

I could totally see Trump saying something like, “I met one of them. He was totally nice. Huge guy.” And his assistants are like, “Sir, we’re not supposed to talk about this yet.”

Joshua Golembeske: Right—totally. And that’s the issue. Disclosure will have an impact, no matter how it happens.

Back in the 1990s, a major study led by Hal Puthoff and others examined what would happen if this information were released. And at the time, the recommendation was actually not to disclose—because of how disruptive it could be.

What did they say would happen? The stock market would take a hit?

Joshua Golembeske: Exactly. They predicted the stock market would crash. People would panic. You’d see cult-like behavior emerge. There would be widespread fear and confusion—similar to the early stages of a natural disaster. People would rush to stores, stock up on food. Oil and gas markets would be immediately disrupted because everyone would start asking, Who are they? What technology do we have? What’s been hidden?

That uncertainty could cause serious economic instability. That’s the core fear.

But I disagree with the conclusion. I think we’d get through it. Yes, it would be bumpy—but what’s the alternative? Keep this covered up for another hundred years?

That’s why I believe in compassionate disclosure. You don’t just dump everything all at once. There’s more going on here than just ETs from another planet.

And this is something I really want the audience to understand. When people hear “the phenomenon,” they immediately think aliens from another star system. That is part of it—but it’s not the whole story. In fact, it’s probably only about half of what people are seeing.

Most sightings are actually experimental aircraft. A smaller percentage involves true non-human intelligence. And yes, some of that intelligence likely originates from other star systems, using technology that allows transdimensional travel—moving in and out of our perceived reality, so we can traverse vast distances almost instantly.

That’s one part of the picture.

I think that’s the most mind-blowing thing for the average person—that this individual, this thing, isn’t coming from another planet or galaxy. You’re saying it’s coming from another dimension. That’s not even somewhere we could physically go. Is that what you’re saying?

Joshua Golembeske: Yes—and no. Not the ETs.

The ETs are from the known universe. They’re from planets—not necessarily from our time, but from physical locations in the universe. What gets confused with ETs is a different phenomenon, because there’s overlap, and sometimes they even appear together: interdimensional beings.

This is where the religious framing often gets attached to ETs, because something else is happening alongside them.

You can look at experiencers like Dorothy Izatt, or even Chris Bledsoe—he’s clearly dealing with both. Interdimensional beings are not from our physical reality, like you said. They’re not from a planet with physics like ours. They come from another layer of reality. “Astral” isn’t quite the right word, but there are other layers that have been described to me. That’s where they originate.

This is also where you start to see parallels with religious events. Take the Lady of Fatima, for example—a glowing orb appears, there’s a download, a message, and people’s lives are transformed forever. That’s real, and it happens just as often as classic UFO encounters. But the manifestations look similar.

You see an orb in the sky and think, That’s an ET. And it could be—it might be a craft, or something peering through the way they travel between dimensions. Or it could be interdimensional beings, who seem able to manifest in many different forms. That’s the wild part—they’re almost like genies.

So ETs and interdimensionals get mixed together. And I know it sounds confusing—believe me, I’m not a scientist. I’m just an advocate, explaining what’s been shared with me directly and indirectly.

From everything I’ve studied, it looks like two major phenomena are happening. And when UFOs show up, it’s almost like the membrane thins. Other things come through—lower-dimensional beings, too. That’s where some of the fear narratives come in. Yes, there may be beings from certain dimensions that aren’t positive—but I wouldn’t worry too much about it. It’s not like people are being harmed en masse.

A lot of it depends on how you show up to these experiences. Take Skinwalker Ranch—on the surface, it feels negative, but overall, it’s not. Most interactions with interdimensionals are actually loving and transformative. And I want to get to that in a moment.

You mentioned earlier that experimental aircraft make up a major part of what people are seeing. Can you go back into that?

Joshua Golembeske: So if you take everything people see in the sky—100%—I’d say 80 to 90% of it is human technology, at least where I live in Colorado. It’s an experimental aircraft.

Sometimes it’s technology we developed ourselves. Other times it’s reverse-engineered from ET technology. And that’s where it gets confusing, because it looks ET.

You might see a triangle in the sky and think, There’s no propulsion, no exhaust, no flames—what is that? And you assume it’s ET. But then you look closer and notice rivets, screws. It feels human-made.

ET crafts are different. They look almost 3D-printed—perfectly smooth, no seams. They make no sound. Some of the human craft still do. It’s like we’ve partially figured out the technology, but not fully.

Here’s something fascinating. I’ve talked to multiple people—some who’ve been inside these crafts, others who’ve been very close to them. And they all say the same thing: the interior doesn’t match the exterior.

You’ve talked to multiple people who’ve been inside ET crafts?

Joshua Golembeske: Yes.

Okay. For people who don’t watch Cosmic Disclosure, what do you mean by that? Who are these people? What crafts? Where do they go? Give us the context.

Joshua Golembeske: Totally—and that’s fair. I’m so deep in this that I sometimes forget to bring it back to UFO 101.

There are two main groups. One is an experiencer. That’s less “credible” in the traditional sense—but I believe them. People like Chris Bledsoe, Dorothy Izatt, and others I’ve spoken to, including someone I made a documentary about, describe being on craft.

The second group—and this carries more weight for many people—is military personnel. Special forces. I’ve spoken to many of them, both on and off camera, about their direct experiences with UFOs.

What they describe is this: you approach a craft that looks, say, twenty or thirty feet wide on the outside—a silver disc sitting on the ground. There’s an opening. You go inside… and the interior is the size of a football stadium.

No way.

Joshua Golembeske: I know. I can’t explain the physics of it. People can speculate, but that’s how advanced the technology is.

Humans don’t craft that. We don’t know how to do that—at least not openly. Maybe it exists in deep-black projects; I don’t know. But that interior-exterior mismatch is a hallmark of ET craft.

And here’s why special forces keep coming up: they’re often deployed when there’s a landing or an incident. I was just speaking to someone who was part of JSOC. He flew all over the world whenever something happened. Their role wasn’t to engage the ETs—it was to secure the perimeter, observe, and protect the site.

If there was interaction between governments and ETs, special forces were there to guard it. That happens more often than people realize. They show up, secure the area, and observe.

And that’s just one layer of what’s going on.

Why can they come forward at all? Why do they have the ability to speak about this? Shouldn’t they be prohibited from talking about it?

Joshua Golembeske: That’s a great question—and that’s exactly what we’re waiting for now: people who were deeply involved in these programs to come forward.

I’ve been talking recently with someone who had a lot of direct contact. He wants to come on camera, so we’ll see what happens. But to answer your question, many of the people I speak with were only involved briefly. It’s almost like they were “used” for a day.

For example, a guy named Randy Anderson was taken below a facility in Indiana and shown alien technology. From what he describes, it was almost like a test—how would he react to the technology, or how would the technology react to him? He was brought in for a single day. He was threatened and told not to talk about it—but he never signed anything.

Ten years after leaving the military, he felt comfortable speaking about it.

Another example is Mike Herrera. In 2009, he witnessed a pyramid-shaped UFO in Indonesia while he was there doing tsunami or hurricane relief. It looked human-made, but he literally stumbled across it. He was confronted by a team of guys in black fatigues who told him, “You can’t talk about this. Go back to your ship. Never speak about this again.”

That was it. He didn’t sign an NDA. No paperwork. So ten years later, he started talking.

Then you have someone like Jacob Barber, who recently appeared on NewsNation. Incredible story. We don’t have him on Gaia yet, but I’d love to. He was actually involved in crash-retrieval operations. He was a helicopter pilot. Something crashed in the desert, they pulled him in, and he helped retrieve it.

During one of those missions, he had a profound experience. He said he could feel the sadness of the beings inside the craft. He described it as this divine energy moving through him—he started crying. Afterward, he delivered the craft to a facility. He did this a few times, but he wasn’t permanently embedded in the program.

And that’s the key point.

A lot of these people were on the fringes. They weren’t lifers. They weren’t signing lifelong NDAs. They saw something once, or a handful of times, and then went back to their normal roles.

This has been going on for eighty years. And as good a job as they’ve done covering it up—similar to the nuclear program before the bombs were revealed—there are always leaks.

What we really need now are the people who did sign NDAs. The ones whose lives have been threatened. We need them to testify before Congress and tell the truth about what they’ve been doing for decades.

Right now, thousands of people across the U.S. and around the world are actively working in crash retrieval and reverse-engineering programs. That’s real. It’s beyond a reasonable doubt. I can’t physically prove it to you in this moment, but for me, the question is no longer Is this real? It’s What do we do next?

That’s why I consider myself a disclosure advocate. My goal is to help create platforms where people can come forward and share their stories. I can’t prove every detail. We do background checks. We verify credentials.

That’s how disclosure is happening right now. It’s people who don’t feel like they’ll be killed or destroyed for speaking up—because they were only briefly exposed.

You see this in the congressional UAP hearings, too. It’s often someone who was on a base, saw something once, and then went back to their life. They weren’t “in the program”—they just witnessed something they couldn’t explain.

That’s what we’re getting more and more of, and it’s fascinating.

And the Special Forces guys? They’re different. They’re tough. Some of them are like, I don’t care what happens—I’m coming forward.

Jacob Barber literally said, “If you want to silence someone, send them to me.” That’s the kind of person he is. He wasn’t afraid. He didn’t care.

And that’s why his testimony carries so much weight.

What is the process you go through to verify someone’s story?

Joshua Golembeske: There are a few layers to it.

First, we do standard background checks—some programs allow us to do that. Second, we verify their military credentials. It’s the DD-214—I probably said that wrong earlier—but we check their discharge papers and service records to make sure those are legitimate.

We also have a network of former intelligence and military professionals who help us verify that people are who they say they are, and that they worked where they claim they worked.

After that, it gets more complicated. These programs are extremely compartmentalized by design. You’re not supposed to be able to access information about them easily. So at a certain point, there is a leap of faith.

We trust them. We’ve verified their background. Our network confirms their legitimacy. And then we bring them on and let them tell their story.

That’s what Cosmic Disclosure is really about. We’re not operating under the same journalistic constraints as traditional media. We’re not CNN. We’re not here to say, This is 100 percent fact. We’re offering a platform.

Tell your story.

We’re not there to judge them, and I’m certainly not there to pressure them on camera. We let them speak.

Here’s the reality: probably 80% of what’s out there in the UFO space is misinformation, disinformation, or just noise. I don’t claim to be on the inside—and neither does Gaia. We’re trying to help.

So we do our due diligence, and then we let them talk.

Cosmic Disclosure is about entertaining ideas without immediately accepting or rejecting them. Some guests I personally vouch for more than others. But honestly, I don’t feel like anyone who’s come on has lied to me. It’s just that their stories are incredibly hard to verify.

Someone might say, “I was on a base on the Moon,” or “I was underground.” You can’t prove that. But you can listen. And over time, something interesting happens.

You start noticing patterns. One person says something. Another person—who’s never met them—says the same thing. Then someone behind the scenes confirms pieces of it. And you start thinking, Okay… this might actually be real.

Another thing people don’t realize is that there’s no real upside for these guests. They’re not getting rich. They’re not becoming famous. If anything, it’s the opposite.

Many of them suffer for coming forward. They get ridiculed. They face stigma. Some even lose their jobs.

And that’s what really matters to me. These people come forward because they’re patriotic. Because they believe something illegal has been happening for decades, and that the American people—and the world—deserve to know the truth.

I’m very curious about your take on people in the spiritual community who talk about being starseeds and having experiences—sometimes described as physical abductions, sometimes more like meditative or spiritual encounters with their star family. I’m thinking of people like Elizabeth April, who speaks openly about knowing her star family by name and visiting them. How do you navigate that world—where on one hand you’re talking to Special Forces people who’ve physically walked onto craft, and on the other, there’s a large spiritual community whose experiences feel more meditative or energetic?

Joshua Golembeske: I think both are real.

I can’t individually verify every story outside of the military, but I don’t dismiss either category. The military side is more nuts-and-bolts, but even those people often have experiences that go beyond the physical. The experiencer side is harder, because anyone could make up a story. But there are certain people where, beyond a reasonable doubt, you just know—they’re not fabricating. You recognize what they’re describing.

And the whole starseed idea—I actually love that term. Starseed hybrids. A lot of people report similar experiences: they’re taken aboard a craft, they recall the memories later, and what they describe isn’t fear—it’s familiarity. They say things like, It felt like family. I felt comfortable. I knew them.

I’m going to go a little deep here, briefly. The further you go into UFO research and experiencer accounts, the more you’re inevitably led into questions about the nature of reality itself. Consciousness. Reincarnation.

When you really listen to these stories—and this isn’t just my opinion, this comes from people like Dr. John Mack, who ran the psychiatry department at Harvard and interviewed hundreds of experiencers—it starts to sound like this: These beings are my family. They’re helping me learn what I’m here to learn in this lifetime.

People talk about reincarnation cycles. About these beings acting almost like guardian angels. They remember past lives, and the same beings they’re seeing now were present then, too.

And I know—if you’re new to UFOs, that sounds completely wild.

But that’s exactly why I’m so fascinated by it. Because it seems like this phenomenon isn’t just about technology—it’s about consciousness expansion.

Dr. John Mack actually said that contact, especially repeated contact, may be one of the most powerful catalysts for enlightenment. People who experience regular contact often change every aspect of their lives. There was also research by Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the astronaut, who surveyed experiencers. The majority reported positive outcomes. Their lives improved.

Not everyone—some people do get stuck in fear, and I don’t want to gloss over that—but for many, something profound unlocks.

And then you start noticing something else: a lot of religious experiences read very much like UFO or interdimensional encounters when you look at them closely.

The deeper you go, the more spiritual it becomes. You start asking questions about the nature of the universe and how consciousness connects across everything. It’s very similar to what people describe as enlightenment.

People change how they show up in relationships. They change careers. They take better care of the planet. Depression lifts. They start to understand reality differently.

Something opens.

And that, to me, is one of the most important—and least talked about—parts of this whole phenomenon.

What is the connection there? Between having an experience and all of those breakthroughs you just described—what’s actually happening?

Joshua Golembeske: I’ll be honest, I don’t have a perfect answer. I just know it’s happening.

One thing that comes up again and again is that many experiencers, during contact events, are brought right to the threshold of what feels like “the other side.” They’ll describe being taken to a doorway or a boundary. They often remember everything about the experience up to that point—but not what happens beyond it.

People report seeing deceased loved ones on the craft. They’ll see people who’ve passed away before or after these encounters. And then the question becomes: why does this elevate consciousness so dramatically?

That leads straight into the bigger questions—what are we doing here? What is the nature of reincarnation? Karma and dharma. When you really sit with it, it starts to feel like these beings are helping us—because in some way, they are us.

It’s like having close friends who guide, support, and help you grow in this lifetime. Helping you evolve as a conscious being. Because we’re not humans having a spiritual experience—we’re spiritual beings having a human experience.

So I know that the answer is a bit vague. I can’t tell you exactly how it works. But I can tell you that it does. Over and over again, I’ve seen the same pattern: people have these experiences, and something cracks open.

To me, it feels like the entire phenomenon exists to expand consciousness. I don’t think it’s just about nuclear weapons in the 1940s and UFOs suddenly showing up everywhere. I think something much bigger and more profound is unfolding.

And I’ve witnessed that again and again through the stories of experiencers.

When you talk about experiencers, is there a common denominator—a common thread or demographic? Are they psychologically on the edge, or from a certain class or background? Is there anything consistent there?

Joshua Golembeske: Yes and no.

First, on the mental health question—that’s been studied directly. Dr. John Mack actually looked at this, and the percentage of people reporting contact experiences is the same as the percentage of mental illness in the general population. So statistically, experiencers are not more mentally unstable than anyone else. That argument doesn’t hold.

Now, are there people who are mentally unstable, claiming wild things? Of course. And unfortunately, they muddy the waters for everyone else. But that doesn’t invalidate the reality of genuine experiencers.

As for common threads, you’ll hear theories. Things like Rh-negative blood, Scottish or Irish ancestry, and Native American lineage. You’ll hear that people in service-oriented roles—teachers, healers, social workers—seem to have more contact. There are trends like that, but nothing definitive.

The truth is, this phenomenon cuts across every demographic. It doesn’t matter how much money you make, where you live, your education level, or your culture. It happens everywhere—globally.

One thing that is interesting, though, comes from Dr. Garry Nolan at Stanford. He studied military experiencers and found something unusual related to the caudate putamen—the structure that connects the left and right hemispheres of the brain.

From what I understand, it’s not that it’s larger, but that it’s more developed or wired differently. And almost all of the military experiencers with intense contact experiences had this trait.

How do they even test that? What does that mean, practically?

Joshua Golembeske: I don’t know the neuroscience in detail. What I understand is that the neural pathways are different. More developed. That’s how it’s been described.

But this is public research. Dr. Nolan is very credible—he’s been on major programs and documentaries talking openly about it. This isn’t fringe or hidden work.

Beyond that, everything else feels like loose data to me. Maybe certain ancestral lines show up more often—but that could also be confirmation bias. I’m Irish and a little Scottish, so I notice that data point more.

But experiencers exist everywhere—China, Africa, Europe, Russia. People across the world report remarkably similar encounters.

There’s a program Steven Greer teaches about making contact. Have you gone through that?

Joshua Golembeske: Yes, I have.

It’s called CE-5—Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. Personally, I haven’t had a direct experience using that protocol, but I know many people who have.

What’s fascinating is that the military does not call it CE-5—but they’re doing essentially the same thing.

I’ve interviewed people—some already aired on Cosmic Disclosure—like Mike Battista and Mike Herrera, who described reaching out through meditative states. That’s exactly what’s happening. Small groups of trained military personnel sit together, enter a focused, meditative state, and initiate contact with non-human intelligence.

I know how bizarre that sounds. Twenty years ago, I would have laughed at that conversation over a water cooler. But now I know it’s real—not just because of Steven Greer, but because I know people personally for whom it’s worked, including people at Gaia.

There was a group called Skywatcher—made up of people like Jacob Barber, Mike Battista, and other former military operators. That group went dark, but what they were doing was real. In military terms, they developed specific consciousness-based signaling methods to initiate contact.

They would literally “call them in.”

Skywatcher footage on YouTube shows multiple craft responding—descending, appearing, interacting. These beings are around us all the time. When contact is initiated coherently, they respond.

This is one of the most difficult things for people to accept, but I’m beyond a reasonable doubt that it’s real.

Anyone who’s meditated deeply for decades will tell you—they’ve had something happen. A moment where they thought, What was that? A presence. A vision. A contact. There’s a science to it, and it’s repeatable.

What’s disturbing is that there are both light and dark applications of this. Some programs use consciousness-plustechology—like a kind of signal or “dog whistle”—to call craft in. And in darker programs, they attempt to take control of the craft, force them down, or even shoot them out of the sky to recover technology.

That’s terrifying. These beings appear to be incredibly benevolent—almost childlike in their openness. Some reports suggest they even allow humans limited interaction with the craft, almost like letting a teenager try driving a car for a moment.

But that trust has been abused.

The military approaches everything like a hammer—everything becomes a nail. This shouldn’t be a military operation. It should be public. Transparent. A peaceful, global initiative.

These beings are not hostile. If they were, we would have been wiped out a long time ago. Independence Day is a fun movie—I love it—but it’s pure fiction.

So yes—this is real. The U.S. government, the military, and transnational corporations are using consciousness-based methods to contact non-human intelligence.

If I had said that to you twenty years ago, it would’ve sounded insane.

Now—it’s just where the evidence leads.

Okay. I want to talk about a couple of specific experiences. You mentioned the Buga Sphere earlier, but before we go there, I want to back up a bit. In late 2024, all of these drones, orbs, and strange objects started appearing in the Northeast of the U.S. What was actually happening during that time?

Joshua Golembeske: You asked the right person. I was hyper-obsessed with that period. I studied it very closely and could probably do a full podcast just on that topic alone. Let me break it down—and then I’ll tell you what I think it ultimately was. I also heard some insider perspectives, but I’ll be honest: I was confused by it at first, too.

For people who aren’t familiar, there were large numbers of what were being called “drones” appearing over the East Coast. But it wasn’t just the East Coast—it was happening around the world. My own family saw them in South Boulder, Colorado. The same phenomenon had actually shown up in northern Colorado about four years earlier.

These were massive objects—so-called drones—with FAA-style lights, capable of hovering for twelve to fifteen hours or more. They made little to no noise. They could go dark. They seemed to evade detection systems. On the surface, it felt very ET-like.

And then there was the behavior. People reported them hovering over their homes all night. Just sitting there. What is that? At the same time, classic UFO sightings and orb sightings were happening in places like New Jersey and elsewhere around the world. It all felt overlapping.

We had solid cases in the MUFON database. I was genuinely confused. At one point, I thought maybe this was ETs mimicking human technology, which actually has happened historically. There’s precedent for that. So I didn’t know what to think.

There was also a lot of high strangeness. Some incredible news clips came out. In one case, FBI agents investigated these drones, then went home—and the drones followed them, hovering over their houses, almost like, We see you watching us.

They were flying over military bases. People reported electronic interference—cars malfunctioning, electronics acting strangely—classic UFO-style effects. There were also multiple reports of these objects coming out of the ocean. And if you’ve followed UFO research at all, you know underwater activity is a huge part of this. We now even have U.S. congressmen openly saying there are underwater UFO bases. Tim Burchett has said that publicly, multiple times.

There was so much going on during that period that it was hard to separate signal from noise.

Later, after speaking with Special Forces personnel—people who were actually on the ground during that time—they determined that these were Chinese advanced drones. Very sophisticated, next-generation technology. Essentially, a message: We can operate wherever we want. You can’t track us. You can’t stop us. You can’t shoot us down.

They were coming off the ocean—that part lines up very clearly with the footage and eyewitness accounts of dozens of them emerging from the water. That was the conclusion reached by the group analyzing it on the ground.

I want to be clear: I’m not naming names because this wasn’t said on camera, and I won’t put people in that position. But I know these individuals personally.

Ross Coulthart also suggested the same thing on NewsNation—that this was most likely Chinese technology.

Now, here’s where it gets tricky. At the same time, there were legitimate orb sightings in New Jersey and elsewhere that I believe were unrelated. Just a normal UFO or interdimensional activity happening concurrently. That overlap added to the confusion.

And it’s worth noting: the same drone phenomenon is happening right now in Europe. It’s been going on for months. Again, with reports of high strangeness—electronics interference, odd behavior, things that don’t quite line up.

So is all of it Chinese? I don’t think so. Some of it very likely is. But there are also reports of objects that look like conventional aircraft—like a 747—but they’re moving impossibly slowly, or the proportions are wrong, or the colors don’t match, or a window is in the wrong place. It feels almost holographic.

So then the question becomes:
Is that ETs mimicking what’s going on?
Is that part of a legacy program?
Is it foreign-state tech designed to confuse and overwhelm perception?

The level of technology that exists—across state actors and black programs—is far beyond what most people realize. Holograms in the sky? Absolutely possible.

So if I had to land somewhere, I’d say mostly Chinese advanced drone technology, with a small chance that some of it involved NHI.

Okay—NHI stands for…

Joshua Golembeske: Non-human intelligence. It’s the newer, safer term for what people used to call ETs or aliens.

Alright—clearly, I have a whole new set of PC words to learn. We talked about the Buga Sphere earlier. It was found in Buga, Colombia, in March 2025. I watched the Cosmic Disclosure special report on it—it’s incredible. 

So you show up, you meet the guy who found it—and I love how he just walks on stage with a hat and a bag like, “Yeah, I found this sphere.” He felt so legit. So real. Tell us what happened. You mentioned earlier that you held it. Talk about the inscriptions. This episode is mind-blowing—people really need to hear this.

Joshua Golembeske: Yeah. In a way, this is disclosure—just public disclosure. And a lot of people want to ridicule it.

As you said, it was found earlier this year by a man named José. He was walking near the edge of his town when he noticed something strange in the sky. He started filming it—and he wasn’t the only one. Multiple people captured footage of this metallic sphere in the air.

The object drifted near a power line, appeared to malfunction, and then slowly descended to the ground. José ran toward it, trying to figure out what he was seeing.

When he reached it, the grass around the sphere was completely dehydrated—classic UFO-style. Everything around it was dead. That alone was strange. He picked it up, and even though it wasn’t hot, it began burning his fingerprints. He felt pain in his hands. He put it down, confused, then picked it up again and brought it home.

Shortly after, he became nauseous. He experienced flu-like symptoms—classic exposure symptoms—that lasted a couple of days. Eventually, everything subsided, and he was fine, but it scared him.

He had a cousin—an engineer, not a metallurgist, but someone with a strong technical background—named David. José gave the sphere to him, and David kept it for about two months. That’s when things got even stranger.

Because we have footage of it in the sky. There’s no visible propulsion system. It rotates. And it has inscriptions—which I’ll talk about in a moment. The whole thing is deeply strange.

And I’ll be honest: when I first saw it, my reaction was skepticism. It almost looks like an art project. My immediate thought was, This can’t be real. I genuinely believed it was a hoax at first.

That’s what makes what came next so compelling.

I have to interrupt for a second—because if I’m José and I find something like this, who do I even call? Do I call the police? Do I trust the government? Honestly, I’m probably calling you. I’d be like, “Josh, what do I do with this thing?”

Joshua Golembeske: Yeah—definitely not the government. Don’t call the government.

Honestly, I’d fly in. We’d take care of it. And that’s actually one of the most remarkable things about this case. Usually, when something like this happens, someone shows up immediately and takes it. There’s a long history of the military—especially the U.S. military—doing exactly that.

This guy got lucky. He was a nobody in the middle of nowhere. That’s probably why it didn’t disappear right away.

Okay—so he gives it to David, and David has it for two months. What does he do with it?

Joshua Golembeske: The first thing they did was quarantine it. José had gotten really sick, and they didn’t know what to do.

Then things started getting even stranger. The sphere began changing weight. At first, it weighed about two kilograms—very light. Within a couple of months, it weighed closer to ten kilograms. No one could explain how it gained mass.

If you poured water on it, it would create steam—but it wasn’t hot. It was as if a magnetic field or propulsion system inside it were failing or winding down. Something was changing internally, and it was affecting the object’s mass.

Some scientists go into this in much more detail—I highly recommend watching the documentary or the live event that Jaime Maussan hosted about it. They explain how something like this might be possible from a physics standpoint.

Around this time, David started receiving threats. He got phone calls from the Brazilian military and from corporations claiming ownership. They told him, “That’s ours. It flew away. We need it back.” He was directly threatened multiple times.

Understandably, he got scared.

That’s when he contacted Jaime Maussan. Jaime has an enormous network in Mexico—he’s the guy down there when it comes to investigative journalism in this space. Gaia and Jaime also have a long-standing relationship. We worked together on the Nazca mummies about 10 years ago, and we’ve collaborated on a lot of content since then.

Somehow—without getting into the exact details—Jaime managed to get the sphere out of the country and fly it to Mexico City. Once it was there, it was immediately studied by engineers and scientists from the National Autonomous University of Mexico and others around the world.

That’s where things got even more interesting.

We already had the unexplained weight change. Then they discovered that the sphere is filled with fiber-optic cables of different sizes throughout its structure.

If you’ve spent more than ten minutes researching UFOs, you’ll recognize why that’s significant. The Day After Roswell famously discusses fiber optics as one of the technologies rumored to have been reverse-engineered by non-human intelligence. Official histories don’t acknowledge that connection—but the rumor has been around for decades.

On top of that, the sphere was emitting a signal. The frequency matched something used in space communications—long-distance signaling. In other words, whatever this object was, it appeared to be designed to gather and transmit information.

As they examined it further, it began to look less like a vehicle and more like an antenna. There’s something on it that resembles a computer chip. The interior—without cutting it open—appears to contain an hourglass-like structure made entirely of fiber optics.

Everything about it points to one primary function: information gathering and transmission.

And that’s where the story really starts to open up.

Why wouldn’t they cut it open? Why not just slice the thing in half?

Joshua Golembeske: Because they already know what’s inside. They don’t need to—and cutting it open would destroy it.

I actually asked the same question. And honestly, Jaime and Dr. Greer got a little annoyed with me for even bringing it up. I was like, Hey, I’m just asking what the internet is asking. But their point was clear: cutting it would ruin the integrity of the object, and they already have non-invasive ways to study it.

They’ve been able to analyze it without opening it, and it gets even stranger.

They managed to carbon-date part of it—not the metal itself, because you can’t carbon-date metal—but a resin-like material found inside small cavities. It wasn’t dirt. It wasn’t contamination. It was a polymer-like substance embedded in the object.

That material is roughly 12,500 years old.

That date is… interesting. It lines up with a lot of things: the end of the last Ice Age, theories about a major asteroid impact, the Younger Dryas, global flooding myths—including biblical flood narratives. Graham Hancock and others discuss advanced civilizations that may have existed around that time and then been wiped out.

So one theory is that this object came from an ancient advanced civilization that existed 12,500 years ago. Another theory is that it’s non-human intelligence. A third theory is that it’s somehow both—ET technology interacting with, or surviving from, an ancient civilization. All of that is strange, no matter how you slice it.

Then there are the inscriptions.

When you first look at them—honestly—you might think, Someone just soldered these on. This looks fake. That was my reaction too. But when linguists and anthropologists examined them, they identified the script as proto-Sanskrit.

Sanskrit is one of the oldest known languages, and proto-Sanskrit would be a language before formal written language as we understand it. Essentially, a pre-language. Very few people in the world even work with this level of linguistic antiquity.

Dr. Greer has suggested that this could represent a symbolic or consciousness-based language—possibly non-human, or from another star system. Whatever it is, it’s not something someone could casually fabricate without extraordinary knowledge.

As for what the inscriptions say—I don’t remember the wording precisely—but the message itself was surprisingly profound. It was about consciousness, interconnectedness, and what’s happening in the world. Honestly, it sounded like something we’d publish at Gaia—ideas about unity, awareness, and collective responsibility.

An anthropologist in Mexico did the translations, and while more verification is still ongoing, it’s compelling.

There’s also more analysis pending. The metal isotopes can be studied to determine origin and manufacturing process, but that kind of testing is expensive. From what I understand, that analysis is underway, and more information will come out.

So here’s where I land.

I’m not qualified to definitively say, This is a UFO. But I am comfortable saying this:

It is not a hoax.
Absolutely not a hoax.

What it is—ET, ancient advanced civilization, or something that bridges both—we don’t yet know. But at the very least, it appears to be some kind of artifact that’s been operating for over twelve thousand years.

And these objects aren’t isolated. Similar spheres have been filmed around the world many times.

In fact, about a month after the Buga Sphere incident, another identical sphere was filmed—same size, same spinning behavior—about forty miles away. It was captured in 4K for several minutes. That footage is in the documentary.

It even interacted with a power line—but unlike the first one, it didn’t malfunction. It continued on its way.

So what are they?

If I’m going to speculate, I’d say they’re information-gathering devices—collecting data and transmitting it somewhere else. Where that “somewhere else” is, I don’t know.

But based on what I’ve heard from engineers, scientists, Dr. Steven Greer, Jaime Maussan, and others deeply involved in studying it, I’m comfortable saying this:

Whatever the Buga Sphere is, it was almost certainly not created by modern human technology.

I want you to take a moment to speak to those who—honestly, I don’t know how they’d have gotten this far in our conversation and still feel this way—but who are thinking, I don’t know… this all sounds like BS. The average person who’s busy working, putting food on the table, just trying to live their life, and hearing this as a bunch of mumbo jumbo. What would you say to them?

Joshua Golembeske: I’d say two things.

First, you’ve been conditioned—by what’s often called the legacy program and by mainstream media—to dismiss this topic, fear it, ridicule it, or simply never be exposed to it at all. That wasn’t accidental. So if you don’t know much about this, or if it sounds strange or unbelievable, don’t feel bad. That was by design.

Second, I’d invite you to stay open.

The amount of evidence we have right now would win any court case. We may not yet be able to put a recovered craft on a table in front of you—aside from things like the Buga Sphere—but the volume of information is overwhelming. We have whistleblowers coming forward. We have long-standing government programs that are no longer rumored, but openly acknowledged. We have large-scale scientific studies from multiple countries. We have physical trace cases. We have radar data paired with multiple eyewitnesses.

Take something like the Washington, D.C. UFO incident in the 1950s—so many people saw it that it was impossible to deny. And that’s just one famous example.

We also have thousands of people worldwide describing remarkably similar contact experiences over decades. A reported UFO sighting is reported roughly every six seconds globally. This phenomenon has been studied seriously for a very long time.

None of that automatically proves what it is—but it does prove that something is happening. At the very least, it points to non-human intelligence, and it’s been interacting with us for a long time.

You don’t have to believe me. You don’t need to read a single book. Just listen to what’s happening in Congress. Watch the public hearings on C-SPAN. Listen to people testify under oath about legacy programs and decades of secrecy.

Listen to experiencers. Watch Cosmic Disclosure. Watch Ultimate Disclosure with Dr. Steven Greer. Explore the programming on Gaia that looks at this from multiple angles—technological, historical, scientific, and spiritual.

And yes, there’s disinformation out there. Use discernment. But beyond a reasonable doubt, the evidence is overwhelming.

I’ll say this loudly, even if it embarrasses me at a cocktail party: this matters.

Why should you care? Because the technology behind this could help solve some of the world’s biggest problems. There will never be a perfect utopia—but this could dramatically shift how we think about energy, resources, and conflict.

And beyond that, the deepest questions humanity has ever asked—Who are we? Where did we come from? What is the universe really?—all sit at the end of the disclosure pipeline.

That’s why this matters.

One of the things I love about connecting with you is not just your deep fascination with this subject, but your heart. You genuinely care—about the world, about humanity, about these beings. That love comes through so clearly, and it’s incredibly compelling. Thank you for what you’re doing. Where can people connect with you personally? 

Joshua Golembeske: Thank you—that really means a lot.

People can follow me at @ufoelder on Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook. I’m everywhere, shamelessly yelling about disclosure as loudly as I can. I genuinely don’t care what people think.

Please join me. Join Gaia. Help spread this message. This is about consciousness. And I’m going to keep pushing until the day I die—either we get disclosure, or that’s the day I stop talking about it.

And if real disclosure finally happens?
Honestly… I don’t even know what I’ll do next.

I was just thinking that—what would you even be doing then? But I guess you’d still be reporting on what’s happening as things unfold.

Joshua Golembeske: Yeah. Yeah.

Last question—and I’m really curious about this. You mentioned you have a couple of kids and a wife. What do they think about your passion for all of this? Are they into it, or are they like, “Oh my god, my dad is crazy”?

Joshua Golembeske: At first, yeah… my kids were a little embarrassed, to be honest. Especially once kids at school found out. They were like, “Your dad’s into UFOs? What a dork.”

But that’s changing. Everything that’s coming out now—the congressional hearings, the documentaries, the stigma lifting—it’s all shifting. The narrative is changing in real time.

And here’s the thing: I never wanted the legacy program to win. From a young age, I taught my kids that we’re not alone in the universe. That UFOs aren’t scary. That they’re benevolent. Those movies are just movies. I told them, Don’t be afraid of this.

So they grew up open to it. It was more like, “Yeah, Dad’s a little crazy,” but not in a fearful way. Just… that’s Dad. And that was fine.

Then, when I started hosting Cosmic Disclosure, that gave me a little more legitimacy in their eyes. I think they were like, “Oh… okay. People are putting a camera on his face and letting him talk about this. Maybe he actually knows what he’s talking about.”

I love it. Josh, thank you so much. This has been such a great conversation.

Joshua Golembeske: David, I really appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me on.