Soul Emergence: The Ongoing Metamorphosis Within – An Interview with Ragan Thomson

What if every challenge, trigger, or moment of stillness is not a setback—but a sacred invitation for your soul to emerge?

For Ragan Thomson, awakening hasn’t been a single breakthrough or dramatic turning point. It has been an ongoing spiritual metamorphosis—an ever-deepening journey of shedding, softening, remembering, and returning to the luminous truth within. From her early years navigating emotional highs and lows to becoming a global voice for conscious leadership, Ragan has learned to meet every chrysalis moment with courage, humility, and profound trust.

Through motherhood, partnership, devotion to service, and decades of inner work, Ragan has discovered that awakening is not a destination—it’s a continuous unfolding of the soul. Today, she guides individuals and leaders around the world in reconnecting with their inner light, healing the parts that feel unworthy or unseen, and stepping into a life of clarity, compassion, and embodied presence.

In this conversation, Ragan shares how personal healing contributes to planetary awakening, why seeming “stuckness” is often a sign of profound transformation, and how remembering who you truly are can ignite creativity, service, and joy. She also offers grounded insight into navigating spiritual growth while parenting, partnering, and leading in a changing world. Continue reading or listening on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, or YouTube to discover how Ragan Thomson’s wisdom can support your own emergence into light.

You talk about the experience, the phenomenon of soul emergence. How is that different from what people think of as personal development or therapy or self-improvement — the sense of “I need to fix these problems I have”?

Ragan Thomson: Through my own internal work and the work I’ve done with others, I’ve come to see that, for a long time, what has actually been happening within my system is that my soul has been emerging.

What I mean by that is this: through the intensive work of clearing out all the dust that has settled upon our light — however that happens for each person — I’ve slowly uncovered who I truly am. For me, that’s come through a combination of healing modalities over time. As I cleared and discovered more of myself, I began to connect more deeply with my soul’s essence, mission, and purpose. I began to feel more peace, ease, joy — and I wondered, “What is really happening here?”

What I realized is that my soul was beginning to emerge through the human form. When we use expressions like “shine your divine light” or “shine your beauty into the world,” what I feel is truly happening on a soul level is that the luminous being we are — the soul that exists inside this body temple for a short period of time — begins to radiate more light as we heal. It shines through the eyes, the third eye, and the whole energy system. We are these luminous beings.

As the ego softens and as any unhealed child parts begin to resolve and take a back seat, there is finally space for the soul to shine and move forth. I believe this is part of the pathway of ascension and enlightenment — the soul finally getting the opportunity to burst into light.

The word that comes to my mind is “unencumbered,” — the sense that the weight, the dust, has lifted so the soul can shine with full expression and freedom.

Oftentimes, people describe awakening as becoming a “new person,” stepping into a new season of life. But what I’m hearing from you is that it’s not just emergence — it’s a remembering. How do you see this process of remembering?

Ragan Thomson: To me, it’s not about becoming something you’ve never been — it’s about becoming who you truly are. It’s a remembering of your true self.

There is a spark — the moment your existence began — this divine spark that marks the beginning of self. When you became that pure divine spark, you began your journey into this form-based reality. Of course, as we all know, life on this planet hasn’t always been easy. We’ve had the Middle Ages, the Dark Ages — and as I often talk about, we just left the Kali Yuga in March and entered into the age of light, the age of awakening that is now gracing our planet in such a beautiful way.

But before this time, it wasn’t always easy to access healing or understand our energy systems. We’ve had incredible teachers along the way — master Jesus, Buddha, Quan Yin — and so many guides and angels helping us. Still, throughout those eras, healing wasn’t always accessible. So our soul’s light, that original divine spark, often became covered up.

Any unhealed or unprocessed material — the parts of us we carry from lifetime to lifetime, especially our child parts — doesn’t disappear when we take a new body. We bring it with us. And over time, that remembrance of who we are can begin to fade. I believe that forgetting was actually part of this planet’s design. We were meant to forget.

But what matters now is that we are remembering again. We don’t need to dive too deeply into the story of why we forgot — what matters is that many of us are remembering the truth: that we are souls in a body, not bodies that occasionally feel spiritual. We are luminous, miraculous beings of light. And that remembrance is happening now on a global scale — not just within me, but within so many souls.

I’m hearing you talk on a macro level about this remembrance — a kind of planetary awakening, planetary remembering. I’m curious about your own process. As you’ve moved through different seasons of life, and as you mention in your chapter in Awakened Hearts, you’ve experienced multiple metamorphoses, not just one. What does your own process of remembrance look like daily? You’ve got kids, a husband, a business, a life. For those of us who are trying to remember while also trying to work, make a living, and raise families, how do you navigate all of that in the remembering process?

Ragan Thomson: That is an ongoing balancing and rebalancing act — both with my practice and with my connection to Spirit, to Source, to the universe, to creation.

Every day is a new day. One of the most important internal mantras that has supported me is the simple intention of choosing the light in every moment. Just waking up and remembering: what I’m seeing is not all there is. There is so much depth and meaning happening right here — in every interaction, in every person I meet, in every conversation.

Where I used to be was this place where I felt I needed to meditate or chant ancient Sanskrit mantras for as many hours as possible, and if I missed my practice, I felt off-center. And yes — formal practice absolutely helps us feel grounded and balanced.

But what has shifted for me in recent years is that my practice now lives in every moment. It’s in the day-to-day reality. Whether I’m with my husband, my children, in service, or simply spending time with a friend, I stay in awareness. My consciousness is tuned to the knowing that whatever is happening — even the challenging moments — is divine.

Life is a learning soul playground. Every conversation, every challenge, every activation, every trigger is an opportunity to discover something within myself. So my daily intention is not only to choose the light, but also to stay accountable for my energy.

Within a single moment, I can feel when I wasn’t patient, or when I reacted instead of responding. And then I pause and ask: Who is reacting? Why? What is happening within me? What do I need right now?

Is there a prayer to offer myself? A short meditation? Should I journal what just came up? Is there a child part within me that needs my attention? Is it the ego pulling me into old patterns?

It becomes this consistent inner inquiry — whether it takes a moment, a few minutes, or even hours. That’s how I’ve learned to live consciously. Because what once felt very hard, especially in my earlier life, has softened. Back then, every trigger felt like a failure, and I carried so much judgment about it.

Over time, I had to let go of that judgment and see the truth: nothing is wrong with me. This is simply how the human system works. Everyone experiences discomfort or pain. What matters is how we respond.

So learning to respond rather than react has become the ultimate goal. And when I lose my center, I now see it as an opportunity, not a setback. In those moments — when I pause, breathe, look within, and choose a more loving response — that is a moment of remembrance. Every time I choose differently, I’m remembering who I truly am.

I find that in many partnerships, one person is more intense or high-octane — getting things done — and the other is more chill, gracious, laid back. Which one are you in your relationship? Or am I wrong — are you both gracious and chill, or both intense?

Ragan Thomson: I’ve been all of those roles at different times. Truly. My understanding of this path has been shaped by learning both sides of every dynamic. Whatever the scenario is, I’ve practiced both ends of the spectrum.

In my partnership with my husband, for example, I’ve been spicy and impatient — and he has too. I’ve practiced receiving his intensity and not reacting. We’ve also flipped roles: I’ve been the one feeling unheard, saying, “You’re not listening,” and had to practice communicating clearly rather than withdrawing my voice. And he’s had to learn to listen, too.

We’ve navigated both sides — the impatience, the compassion, the intensity, the softness. My husband and I have been incredible mirrors for each other. And through that mirroring, I’ve learned to listen, to speak, to receive, to offer compassion, to communicate, to recalibrate my energy, and to grow through both sides of every lesson.

I love how you say that. Even in your chapter, you’re so gracious — you write that you and your husband have been amazing mirrors, your parents have been amazing mirrors. 

Ragan Thomson: Aren’t they just reflecting back more of yourself? If we truly are all connected — and we are — then we’re literally in this movie together, reflecting one another. So when we say, “You’re making me so mad,” it’s really like, well… you’re looking right at yourself.

That’s why I love relationships. They are some of the most powerful ways to resolve our inner work. And yes, it’s not always easy. But I cannot tell you how much I’ve learned and grown because of my relationships. They’ve been my ultimate mirrors.

Especially romantic partnership. For those who are in one, it is such fertile ground for transformation — if you allow it.

Ragan Thomson: It really is, David. My romantic partnership has been the number one relationship that has helped me grow and evolve. Absolutely.

For someone listening today who’s in the middle of that emergence — trying to release old stories and identities while also allowing that new part of themselves to come forward — what encouragement would you give them if they feel stuck in the middle?

Ragan Thomson: I would remind them that the feeling of being stuck is often just a perception — not the truth of what’s happening. So many times during my own metamorphoses, I felt stuck, stagnant, like I wasn’t moving forward. And every time, Spirit was like, “Exactly. That’s what you’re meant to be learning right now.”

What feels like stuckness is usually the very material that needs to come up for healing. When someone says, “I’m stuck because I don’t know where to go next,” or “I’m stuck because I feel like I’m not good enough,” the invitation is to look at that energy. That is the exact layer asking to be cleared.

There is never a moment in the process that isn’t precious. Even the stuck moments — especially the stuck moments — are teachers. We tend to think that when we’re in flow, manifesting easily, and everything feels divine, then we’re on the right track. But the soul doesn’t label experiences like that. The soul doesn’t say, “You’re stuck. You’re flowing. You’re doing well. You’re doing poorly.” That’s the personality, the identity speaking.

The soul simply experiences. It wants growth, learning, and understanding. It doesn’t judge. So whatever you’re feeling — sadness, anger, loneliness, unworthiness — it’s all here to teach you something. There is no wrong moment on the path.

I interviewed Adam Apollo a few days ago, and his new book is essentially about reincarnation — though that’s not a word people use as much now. He describes reincarnation not as reward or punishment, like in older Hindu frameworks, but as a learning engine — constant learning. As you’re saying, we’re here to learn. Everything’s learning.

Ragan Thomson: Wow. Yes. We’re in the soul school. There are many possibilities for what a soul can do after leaving the body. But those who return to Earth — as far as we understand — know exactly what they’re choosing. This planet is a potent place for evolution. It’s not always easy here, but that’s what makes it so powerful.

When you transcend the ego, the parts, and all the internal work, what becomes possible is vast, limitless. And because it isn’t always easy, I believe we are rewarded for staying true to the path. And the reward is freedom — inner freedom, liberation, enlightenment. There are incredible rewards for staying with the process.

And if it takes a few more lifetimes to keep going, well… sometimes the soul says, “Alright, here we go again. I’ll be a child, then an adult, I’ll go to school again, I’ll be a teenager again…” (laughs)

Oh man…

Ragan Thomson: Yes — and supposedly there are ways to skip some parts, but that’s for another time. The point is: I’ve been coming back here for a very long time. A long time on this planet.

I mentioned earlier that you have a chapter in our new book, Awakened Hearts: Sacred Stories of Breaking Free and Rising Higher. Your chapter is titled The Ongoing Spiritual Metamorphosis Within and Without. I want to read a couple of sentences toward the end of your chapter:

“Every stage of this evolutionary process—whether through art, love, motherhood, or spiritual practice, all seasons of my life—has been a testament to the power of transformation. Like the butterfly, I have shed layers of fear, constriction, and ego, knowing that at each stage I am being prepared for a new height of freedom, creativity, and joy. And so I walk this path consciously, embracing each chrysalis moment as an essential phase of my growth. I recognize the divine timing within it, trusting the universe’s infinite wisdom as I continue to fly, unfurling my wings with gratitude for the sacred metamorphosis that continuously takes place within me.”

I’m curious: why do you use this metaphor of metamorphosis and the butterfly coming out of the cocoon? Of all the metaphors you could have used, what resonates most about this one for you?

Ragan Thomson: The various stages of the butterfly’s transformation mirror the human process so well. It’s not just symbolic — there’s a lot of truth in that journey. I believe we continually enter this chrysalis to change, grow, and shed what no longer serves. If you had seen me 20 years ago — even 10 years ago — I probably wouldn’t recognize myself. My voice, my energy, and even my presence feel completely different now.

Tell us about that. How are you different from how you were 10 years ago?

Ragan Thomson: I can hear it in my voice. Back then, there were more highs and lows — a lack of grounding. You can’t fake being grounded, centered, and calm. That comes from deep inner work. Some people say, “Oh, that’s because you were younger.” But no — some incredibly grounded, luminous beings are 15 years old right now. Age isn’t the factor.

The difference is the inner transformation. I used to experience extreme lows and big highs — it was confusing and overwhelming. Through these cocooning stages, I’ve softened. I’ve gone inward, healed, learned, and integrated. And that inward retreat — that chrysalis — is essential.

People think of themselves as introverted or extroverted. But truly, every human contains both. There are times when we’re deeply internal, pulling back to process our experiences and relationships, letting them move through us. These inward periods are just as vital — if not more vital — than the outward seasons of service and expression.

Metamorphosis happens when we give ourselves space for stillness. That’s why the butterfly metaphor resonates so strongly for me. The path is this undulating flow — inward, outward, inward, outward — and then these powerful breakthrough moments where you emerge as the butterfly again.

For me, those butterfly moments often come with a surge of creativity. I’ll start singing, painting, creating. I’m recording an album right now. At other times in life, I’ve painted landscapes and surprised myself with what came through. When deeper awakening occurs, more of the soul comes online — creativity, joy, and inspiration awaken. The soul is joy. The soul is creativity.

Every awakening brings forth a new expression. I’ve never met someone who goes through a spiritual awakening without feeling creatively inspired afterward.

The metamorphosis isn’t one-time. It keeps evolving.

I’m curious about those conscious leaders, healers, and coaches who feel pressure to constantly create content — to stay visible — even when they’re in a season of going inward. The culture says you must keep producing. The business world says you must keep posting. Yet their soul is saying, “I need the cocoon right now.” How do you navigate that tension?

Ragan Thomson: For me, the key is maintaining internal balance consistently — and accepting that it will keep evolving. Yes, I have a team now. But even then, there are moments when I’m inward, and my team needs content. I’ll say, “I’ll get it done when I can today, or maybe tomorrow.” It doesn’t serve me — or anyone — to share when I’m not divinely inspired.

If I’m in an inward state, I honor that. I express that to my team, and they adjust. I didn’t always have a team; for years, it was just me. I remember those days well. And what helped was staying deeply faithful to my inner practice — especially in the mornings. Prayer and meditation kept me connected enough that, when I truly needed to create something, I was able to.

And if it doesn’t happen, is that okay? Who is pushing us? Is it the soul? Or is it something else — fear, conditioning, ego, productivity culture?

I encourage people to check in: Am I a divine expression of Spirit right now? Or am I pushing something out just to get it done? Sometimes waiting an hour or until tomorrow is far more aligned.

Deadlines feel urgent, but can they be moved? Can it be adjusted? And if it can’t — what internal work can you do in that moment to support yourself? Often, imbalance shows up because we’ve been giving too much and receiving too little, or we’ve been doing too much and not being enough. Sometimes we’ve just completed a retreat or deep healing and need time for integration. And yes — life still continues.

But we can support ourselves.

One of the most powerful tools is the simplest: breath. Slow, deep, gentle breaths. Even two minutes can bring you back to center. Close your eyes. Breathe. Then check in: Is this the moment to create? Or do I need more time?

And prayer — “Please help me. I need assistance. I’m not feeling inspired, and I also need to show up. How can I do this with grace?” I’ve said that many times before stepping into a retreat, a session, or a class.

What I’ve learned is this: the work is divinely protected. If we are serving as a conduit for the light, we are supported the moment we step into that service. Trusting that makes the path so much easier.

You mentioned earlier that an awakening is happening on a global level. I’m curious how you know that’s true. What are the signs? Because if we turn on the news, it looks like destruction. That’s what we’re being fed. What tells you that awakening is actually happening around us?

Ragan Thomson: I can speak first from my own system, and then from the collective. Internally, it is a completely different walk than it used to be. I do a lot of energy work with others and with myself, and what I’m noticing now is a tremendous acceleration. Healing that used to take half an hour in meditation can now happen in a few minutes. You call in the light for five minutes, and it’s like — whoa. There’s so much more light available on the planet than before.

If you have even a small connection to the light and begin cultivating that relationship, you’re going to feel the difference. That’s been one of the clearest signs in my own system.

As I work with others, I see the same acceleration. When the light moves through me as a conduit, they feel it in the healing space. There’s a palpable, loving presence — it feels like the planet once had a glass ceiling around it, and now that ceiling is cracking. More light is pouring in. Our divine helpers — ascended beings, angels, guides — can reach us more easily now.

People who once wondered, Am I really being assisted? are now saying, I can feel something. I feel supported. I don’t feel as alone. I hear this from clients, from fellow healers. It’s not theoretical anymore — it’s being felt.

And it’s not just spiritual seekers. People you’d never expect to be interested in growth or healing are saying, “Something’s changing in me. I need help. I’m ready.” Suddenly they’re reading spiritual books — maybe even Awakened Hearts — and saying, “Is this what’s happening to me?”

There’s a rise in compassion, too. People are witnessing the world and thinking, How can I help? How can I serve? More hearts are opening. More people are feeling the call.

I also did global service work for many years with an organization dedicated to bringing harmony and consciousness to different human systems — environmental, spiritual, and cultural. One of our biggest missions was conscious collaboration. You would think that would be easy for spiritual organizations, but often it was the hardest thing. There was fear, competition, and ego.

But now? It’s shifting. I recently stepped away from that organization to follow new guidance, but when we reach out to groups about collaborating, people respond with openness. Yes, let’s do it. That wasn’t happening a few years ago. Something changed after the end of the Kali Yuga in March. The momentum is building.

I can only imagine what the next six months will bring.

Among leaders and healers, there’s this sense that one person’s healing can contribute to the awakening of the planet. As I heal, others are impacted. For those who want to participate in this awakening by focusing on their own healing, what would that look like?

Ragan Thomson: It is absolutely the most vital thing we can do — participate in our own inner healing. We are luminous beings of light, and we each have a light capacity. As we do our inner work, our light grows. More light stays, more light integrates, and we become brighter.

During this pivotal time of awakening, the more souls who choose to increase their light, the more the collective capacity shifts. Every person’s light matters. Every energy system matters. There is a tipping point — and it’s already tipping toward the light.

When someone awakens, others notice. They feel the peace, the groundedness, the clarity, and they say, “What is that? I’d like that too.” Our inner work becomes a model for others. It helps them remember that they, too, can feel whole.

As more people awaken, they naturally begin to serve. They want to help. They volunteer in their local communities. They support schools, churches, and charities. They join global initiatives, create nonprofits, or give philanthropically. They feel inspired to uplift others.

And if more people wake up — more people who genuinely care and want to serve — everything changes. That is how an awakened world emerges.

For me, I’m in my mid-mature years — let’s call it that. I’m 52. My daughter is 26, and we have a very close relationship. As I continue to share my own growth and healing process, she’s been inspired. She grew up in a home where therapeutic language was used. But it seems like modeling this for those closest to us — a partner who isn’t into this work, or our kids — can really make an impact. Especially for women, who are often the most influential individuals within a family unit. Can you speak to the importance of modeling this for the people in our lives?

Ragan Thomson: Absolutely. It was one of the biggest reasons I began doing deep internal work. Right before I had my first child, I remember thinking: I want to be clearer for her. I want to be a great mom. I knew that if I did my own inner work, I would parent differently. I hoped I’d be more peaceful, more loving, more patient. I was inspired to be the best mother I could be — and the work helped tremendously.

Family is a crucible. If we can show up there — patient, loving, awake, aware — it affects everyone. Of course, every family member has their own pain and their own process. But when I enter the home, or any space, in a conscious, grounded, loving state, that energy fills the room.

I’ve modeled this for my husband and for my children. We’ve done healing work together for 17 years — retreats, sessions, continuous growth. We mirror each other. And it extends beyond the family. You model this to strangers, too. A simple “good morning” in the grocery store can soften someone’s whole day. You never know whose heart you’re touching.

What’s within us attracts what’s around us. And sometimes Spirit will send a little test — someone having a tough day — just to see if we can stay centered. If we can remain in our truth, our sovereignty, our love, that light can be transformative for them in ways we may never know.

One of the things that you’ve done in both the first and second Awakened Hearts books is share your story. I’m curious about the power of story. Should we be telling our stories during this time of awakening? How can our story impact others? Why do you share yours?

Ragan Thomson: Interestingly, I stopped sharing my story for a long time. It felt farther and farther in the past, and I was working more from a place of energy — from the inner work I had done, the wisdom that emerged from that, and from channeling Spirit. The story didn’t feel as relevant for a while.

But working with Awakened Hearts, Awakened Magazine, and with others who asked about my story, I realized something: people need it. In this awakening world, the story is incredibly supportive.

So many people are feeling something shift inside them. They’re unsure what’s happening, unsure why they feel more awareness or more sensitivity. Hearing someone else’s story — especially a story of healing and evolution — can be deeply reassuring. It says, “You’re not alone. This is possible. You can heal, too.”

Sharing my story gives people courage. It gives them faith. It lets them know I’ve been through many difficult chapters — and that doing the inner work has been worth every moment. If my story can help even one person believe in their own healing, then it’s worth sharing.

I just love hearing your story. I always tell authors: the two things that happen when I read or hear someone’s story are connection and empathy. I feel a connection because I suddenly understand them — in a world where social media is curated to look beautiful, a single snapshot in time. We never hear the texture of someone’s life — the ups, downs, twists, and turns. And when I hear someone’s story, I don’t feel judgment. I feel empathy. I feel like I want to give them a hug, or just say, “Hey, I’m on your team.” And as you said, I know I’m not alone. I’m not the only one who’s been through things. So I appreciate you sharing your story. I honestly believe it’s one of the most powerful tools in the awakening process, because someone else’s story expands my mind about what’s possible. When you talk about these things, I think, “Wow, I didn’t even know that was possible.”

Ragan Thomson: Yes. Absolutely. I agree with you on all of that.

I want to hear about the Thomson Global Impact Fund. I think it should be the Thomson Galactic Impact Fund.

Ragan Thomson: (laughs) Oh man, that’s so true. Why didn’t I make it Galactic? Maybe we’ll shift everything. I’m going to shift everything now.

Awkward though when you apply for collaborations…

Ragan Thomson: “What is this? Are you working with different planets?”
Yes, I am. (laughs)

So, the fund was created to support endeavors that I feel deeply connected to in my heart and soul. Initiatives that bring forward consciousness, collaboration, connection, and healing. Those are the types of projects I’ve been involved in so far.

I’m also beginning to explore ways to support youth education around AI — bringing conscious governance into AI conversations for students, schools, and children in general. That’s becoming an important initiative. There are others as well.

The overall intention is to help evolve consciousness, love, and awareness on the planet, and to support projects that align with that mission.

One of the things we talked about recently on a livestream is that you’re being invited into rooms of leaders — people involved in philanthropy, government impact, global impact, even “galactic impact” — and you’re speaking about spiritual principles in environments where that might not be the first topic on the table. Can you share a bit about that?

Ragan Thomson: Yes. I recently found myself at the Clinton Global Initiative. I’ve been in rooms with leaders who are focused on systems, policies, structures — very “go, go, go,” very results-driven. And there I am speaking about consciousness, healing, and the heart.

I feel I’m meant to show up as a messenger — reminding people that the ways we’ve been working have brought us into systems that are now strained and outdated. I say that gently, but it’s true. We need new ways of leading, new ways of collaborating, new ways of creating. And the heart must be part of that.

When I speak about this with global leaders, politicians, and legislators — people at the forefront of change — I’ve been surprised by how receptive they’ve been. They tell me, “Yes. We need this. We need healing. We need heart.”

Even those working in challenging, high-pressure roles need space to reconnect with themselves. And I believe Spirit is placing me in these rooms so that the heart can re-enter these conversations — even in places you wouldn’t expect. Sometimes, even in churches that say, “We only speak this way,” or “We only do things this way.” Yet I’m invited to bring something different.

There is more openness across the world than ever before. In rooms where you would least expect it, people are ready to hear about healing, consciousness, and awakening.

What are the ways people can work with you — receiving your wisdom, following your work? What are the different ways people can connect with you?

Ragan Thomson: The best place to start is my website — it’s truly a resource center: RaganThomson.com. There you’ll find meditations, teachings, and even episodes from a podcast show I hosted for a while.

I’m also developing an online Spiritual Soul School, hopefully launching in January. It will be a full library of evolutionary teachings — weaving ancient wisdom into modern-day reality.

Right now, I teach a monthly online class called Spiritual Awakening. You can sign up for the newsletter on my website to stay updated on workshops, classes, and upcoming events. That’s the easiest way to know what’s next.

I also teach regularly on Insight Timer—hosting weekly live sessions, meditations, and talks there. Much of my content also lands on my Insight Timer profile, so it’s a wonderful place to experience this work internally.

Reagan, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for what you’re doing in the world — spiritually, philanthropically — which are essentially the same. And thank you for helping the world awaken to love.

Ragan Thomson: Thank you, everyone. I’m so grateful to be here with you. David, you’re doing such beautiful work as well. I’m grateful for you.