The Science of Abundance – An Interview with Sean Clayton

Could the real secret to unlocking abundance be buried within your deepest wounds—and the journey to healing be the key to everything you desire?

Sean Clayton‘s journey is one of resilience, transformation, and the relentless pursuit of true abundance. Growing up in a deeply religious family in Dallas, Texas, Sean was always a curious kid asking big questions about life, death, and the universe. But his path wasn’t an easy one. From facing traumatic abuse and battling depression to surviving multiple suicide attempts and even spending years in prison, Sean’s early years were marked by pain, struggle, and feeling disconnected from his own worth. Those experiences, however, became the driving force behind his awakening. Through intense self-reflection, spiritual study, and healing, he emerged with a deep understanding of how true abundance works, beginning from within.

Today, Sean shares the wisdom he gained through his own healing process, helping others break free from limiting beliefs and reclaim their own sense of worthiness. Whether he is teaching through his “Science of You” and “Resilient You” programs or offering insights about the numerological power of 369, Sean’s approach feels grounded, relatable, and refreshingly real. He teaches abundance by living it from the inside out. By blending practical tools with deep spiritual insights, Sean guides others to find their own path to healing, creativity, and joy. Above all, his message is simple: abundance is not something you chase, it is something you discover within yourself. To enjoy the conversation, keep reading or listen and subscribe for free on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, or YouTube.

Many are feeling a lack of abundance in today’s economy. As someone focused on the science of abundance, what encouragement would you offer?

Sean Clayton: One, I look at abundance through two different lenses. There’s the abundance that we’ve been taught and the abundance that we know, and those are two totally different things. The abundance that we’ve been taught is a financial structure based on this idea that, at some point, we made the decision that we need to pay to live on this planet—for whatever reason. And that’s great because it creates an aspect of giving and receiving that, when put in balance, allows really beautiful things to happen.

What has happened over, I would say, the last 2,000 years—if not longer—is that things have very much escalated through a patriarchal system and construct. A patriarchal system has been out of balance. It hasn’t been an embodied, masculine version of it. It has been very much about taking. It has been built out of fear.

And when you look at the current condition—if I took the Gen Z population right now, 42% of them have mental health issues. If I take millennials, I think they’re sitting at around 37% with some mental health issues. When you have what we would consider a “mental health issue,” most individuals in those states don’t have a sense of worthiness. And if I don’t have a sense of worthiness, I’m constantly looking at the outside world to affirm me. And if I’m looking at the outside world to affirm me, and it’s constantly out of balance, and I don’t know the space within, then how could I ever achieve abundance? Because I’m not building it from the inside out—I’m using the outside world to affirm this within myself.

So, with that being said, the fact that we have allowed the tail to wag the dog of ourselves—we have allowed the illusion of the world, which is less than one percent of all visual spectrum of light, to dictate the world that we live in—puts us in a space where no wonder we have this sense of a lack of financial abundance as well as self-abundance. And so how do we course-correct that? How do we fix that?

The deepest place we can go—and this is one of the things, you know, when Nikola Tesla said: 369 are the keys to the universe—there is a very specific structure when you think about dimensionality. I have something that I teach in my classes, where each individual has three dimensions of self. They have a dimension of initiation—how do I start myself? A dimension of integration—how do I integrate myself? And a dimension of depth—how do I know myself? If I’m not doing those on an ongoing basis, I don’t fully love myself. And that’s the concept of three.

Once you have that three in place, it allows you to expand yourself into the six-dimensional framework, which was the six. And the six-dimensional framework is where you are walking in the purpose of your plan that was created for you by the one mind, by the divine. That knowing of self allows you to transcend time, it allows you to transcend spirit, and it puts you into a space where that spirit and that time start to work for you.

What I mean by that is that time—when you become fully present—you start pulling the past and the future together. I say you remember your past, you remember your future, and everything becomes now. You’re no longer looking to figure out what’s coming by using evidentiary proof from the past and what people are telling you. You’re actually creating it from a space within—not in a bypassing way. It’s just that you have this knowing because you know yourself. So, the imprint that you place on humanity is from within.

Then, you get into the whole concept of spirit. Well, we always say there’s this polarity of spirit—there’s good and bad, there’s God and the devil, there’s all of this crazy stuff out there. In the first seven days of creation, in every book of religion, right, God said, “Created whatever—it was good, it was good, it was good, it was good.” God never said it was bad. God never judged any of its works. It just said, and it was, and it was good.

Yet, we suddenly say, “Okay, well, the thing that happened in this country is bad,” or “The thing that happened to me…” You know, I use myself as an example—when I was 9 to 14 years old, I went through a very aggressive state of sexual abuse from a family member. I can look at that and say, “That was really, really bad.” I can judge what was created for me and by me—which sounds kind of weird to say when you think about it—for me and by me, to love myself more right now.

Once I have that recognition of it, then I can actually see it all as good. But that good isn’t saying, “Hey, go do more of that.” That good is healing the off energetic construct that allows me to let go of that past from a healing perspective, stand in the state of full love, and now walk in the sixth dimension of my purpose, because I have a very clear channel of what the one mind is giving into my heart.

Then you escalate to the ninth dimension. Because there are only nine numbers in the universe—one through nine. No matter what you do with it, the zero is a placeholder, but everything is one through nine, over and over and over again, just combined numbers.

That one through nine—when you go to, like, 10, you do one plus zero, and you get the digital root, back to one. So you’re back in the first dimension again. Once you get to nine, you go to one again. It keeps going over and over again.

What I mean by that is that when you go from the seven- and eight-dimensional frameworks, and you get to the point of nine, nine is the plan of God for the all. But the seven—that’s why they say, “Keep the Sabbath holy.” When you get to that seventh state, that is the bridge from I to we.

And we have all these clues around us—seven chakras, seven colours of the rainbow, seven body systems, seven continents, seven days of creation, seven hermetic principles—it’s like seven is all over the place. So we have this code and this key that’s been left for us, and we’re just like, “Oh, it’s just seven, I don’t know what it means.” But that’s the bridge from I to we.

Then, once you get to the eighth dimension—that’s we. That’s why there’s the whole infinity sign—being able to see myself through your eyes, my eyes, and the eyes of everybody else. And then we have so much empathy that it allows us to move into a state of victory. And victory is where everybody wins, and we set a beautiful foundation of sovereignty for ourselves.

So, when you can start to understand that code that was left for us—when we get into a state of non-judgment and non-righteousness, so we can constantly move into an aspect of love—and we can understand the depth of ourselves, truly, we become full three-dimensional beings.

Most of us are like, “Hey, I want to go do the bliss money thing. I’m going to be a fifth-dimensional person.” And we go chase the thing—but we don’t even know how to love ourselves. If I have no idea what’s going on inside of me, then how can I actually integrate anything in my life elsewhere?

Then, when I do become fifth-dimensional, I now judge everything that was my life. And I say it was bad, and I don’t want to be that—but I haven’t integrated that learning.

And so, to really start to move—to answer the question, that’s a long way around the block—to move into full abundance, we have to understand these keys, these codes, this 369—this math of God that was created for us. And once we understand that, the whole world comes to us. The whole world shows up as a beautiful reflection of ourselves. Because the world always shows up as a beautiful reflection of yourself. Sometimes, you just don’t love yourself, so the world doesn’t love you back.

Can you share your journey of awakening to consciousness, mindfulness and spirituality? Where did you grow up, and was faith or spirituality part of your upbringing?

Sean Clayton: I grew up in Dallas, Texas, in a very, very faith-centered family. My grandfather’s name was on the church. I grew up African Methodist Episcopalian. I think they could throw more acronyms on this thing—the white gloves, the church, the dancing deal—love it.

Did you have mimes? 

Sean Clayton: That’s what they know we didn’t have. They should have had mimes, but they didn’t. I’ve seen the mimes, though. But yeah, it was interesting, and I always felt like something was off, like something never sat right in my stomach when I went to church. But I would go, and you’d get the mints out of your grandmother’s purse, and there were always these smells and these things. I have a very vivid recollection of that time.

At about eight years old, I started writing these hieroglyphic things, and I was so fascinated with Egypt. We had a bunch of people die in my family that year, and in that window of time, we would go to these funerals. My grandmother would take me to all of them because it was summertime, and I asked her where people go when they die. And she goes, “Oh, they go to this place called purgatory, between heaven and hell, until Judgment Day comes, and then something happens.”

I said, “How is there time when we die if we created time?” And she’s like, “What do you mean?”

I was like, “Well, when you die, there can’t be a clock, so how is there a place of waiting if there’s no clock? And what does that clock mean, and how long does it last?” And I just kept asking these questions. She’s like, “I don’t know what you’re talking about. This is crazy.”

I was like, “No, but when you die, time doesn’t exist, like you just have to be there. So, we’re all together. So therefore, I’m with the people that have already died, and they’re already with me, and so we’re all one, like already.” And she thought that was not okay.

One of the interesting situations growing up with her is that, three days after I was born, my aunt, her daughter, passed away. I have this feeling that I was looked at as something that was, like, wrong, because I came in, and this person goes out. And she lived with a lot of sadness, and you feel like growing up.

And so, of course, probably me talking this crazy stuff for the next several summers, I got sent to my grandmother’s house in California. One of my family members there had lost his father to suicide in front of his family. He was a little bit older, and I would go up there, and he would take out his frustration on me sexually because he was blooming in himself, in his puberty, and I was only nine years old.

These things sort of happened to me, from being very much so attacked for the next several years. All of a sudden, I had this awakening of, like, “Oh, this is some interesting information,” to now, I’m very reclusive.

And if you think about the law of rhythm and the way the universe works, it’s like you’re going to have these waves. Being able to look back on them and love them all—that’s the gift.

So, as I got older in life, that happened. I went a little bit further down the path. I was constantly looking for the world to affirm me—get good at athletics, get good at school. I was just like, “Somebody tell me I’m doing a good job because I don’t know what I am anymore.”

Got out into the workplace, outworked everybody. All of a sudden, I’m making good money, using that money to attract individuals into my life, constantly bleeding cash because I’m working to please the entire world outside of me.

Got into medical staffing, was super depressed all the time. Tried to take my life four times in my 20s, from literally slitting my wrists to putting a gun to my head, trying to pull the trigger four times.

I should have been gone—taking a full bottle of pills, to hanging myself—and none of it worked. I’m really bad at that, apparently, but for good reason.

And then,  it’s funny how you save yourself. You know, like, there’s an intervention. And they always say, God only intervenes when it’s absolutely necessary. The spirit will intervene when it’s necessary.

There were times of intervention that I can look back on and be like, “Okay, there’s that, there’s that,” and it’s part of the divine plan of your flow so that you can stand in your purpose one day.

And then I started my own company with my godfather. He embezzled a bunch of money, disappeared. I ended up taking the hit for it and went to prison for a 46-month sentence.

So, I spent about three years in there, between 29, 30 to 33 years old.

For financial reasons? 

Sean Clayton: Yeah, it was a financial crime that was committed, and then I was in there, and that was a whole experience in itself. It was during the Lehman Brothers and housing crisis and all that, and I lost everything. My family—my son had just been born. He was one-year-old when I went in. Now, he’s 16 and got out, and in there.

I’ll explain that it’s almost like seeing the world—I have to imagine it’s like seeing the world through the way God sees the world. You’re watching it moving on. You can do nothing about it or choose. I mean, sure, God could do something about you, do nothing about you, just watch people just go through their stuff, and you have to accept everything. You have to love where you are so much that it becomes a gift for you.

Prison became a gift for me. It became my new way of living, my new way of life. And I actually felt more free in there than I had been for the next five to ten years afterward of freedom. Because when I got into the world, it was like I’m fighting again with feeling worthy. You go out, you have no clothes, you have no money. You walk into the world. Everybody has stuff, and you’re like, well, I need stuff. Everybody has a car, I need a car. Everybody has a job. And then, you know, you go to the halfway house, and you’re on a bus line, and you have to work at a place off the bus line, and those jobs only are so many things. You go from being this person as an executive to being like, all right, I got to go work at a McDonald’s, or I got to work here or whatever.

And it’s really interesting when you think about the economic system around how they place transportation and the jobs that you can get off of that transportation associated with your ability to be successful in life. It’s wild to watch it. And so I ended up—before I went into prison, I had my pre-trial halfway house and I got to work, and I got to sell cars in this halfway house. So while I was there, I was watching the person selling the most cars.

They were doing internet marketing, and I’m like, oh, I can maybe learn how to do that. I started buying my own ads and then outperforming literally the entire dealership by myself, running ads to myself. Got out, did the same thing again. While I was in prison, I learned all about digital marketing at a really deep level and then did it again. And all of a sudden, I was doing, like, crazy money. I was like, okay, this is wild. And that set my trajectory for where I am now, which—I guess I always had the trajectory set, it’s just you could see it very clearly.

Started my own marketing agency. That led me to New York, where I ended up meeting my now-wife. Her name’s Sophia. She was like—when I got there, I’m just kind of a mess. You know, I’m flying back and forth to Dallas, visiting my son all the time, and she’s like, you just need to calm down and meditate. I’m like, sit still? What are you talking about? I thrive under stress. I need to be stressful, I need to have this stuff. And she’s like, just meditate.

I was like, fine, I’ll try it. So I sat in stillness, and I didn’t get it. I’m like, I need to go do something. So I got up and started doing stuff. And then one day, one of her exes, who ended up passing away from ALS, sent her a video by Sadhguru and I watched it with her, and I’m like, this is interesting, the way he’s talking about things. It’s just like a whole other perspective, and it was on a Tom Bilyeu show.

Then I started taking in all this—because I’m like a rapid consumer of information. So I started speaking like Sadhguru and saying the things. I would go back home to my family, and they’re like, you are nuts. And I was like, none of it really landed. It wasn’t my language; it was his language. Then I just started watching all these Tom Bilyeu videos of, like, Jesse Itzler.

Then I ended up on Joe Dispenza, and I avoided the Joe Dispenza one like the plague for the longest time, because I was like, it’s a little funny. This was back before his hair was doing different stuff, and I was like, I’m going to leave that alone. And if it’s, your thoughts can make you sick, your thoughts can make you well. And I had a thyroid condition, and I’m just taking medicine, and I’m fine.

I watched the video, and it blew my mind. Then I went on Gaia, watched his Rewired thing, went in a little further, took his class, ended up in Marco Island in the middle of COVID, and took the live thing, the seven-day workshop. And that’s where I had, like, this massive breakthrough—huge.

And when I was there, I was down to my—this is a crazy part of the story—I was down to my last $2,500. I was running a marketing agency, and it wasn’t doing great in COVID because people were like, we’re not buying this, we’re saving our money.

My first day in that retreat, I’m watching all these people having Kundalini awakenings and popping off. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to one of the retreats, but it’s like a fit session and 2,000 people in there. And I’m like, what? This is meditation? I don’t get it.

I ended up learning to fall in love with it. But the first time, I’m like, okay, I can’t focus. I can’t believe I’m spending all my money on this. I can’t believe—I don’t know. I know I came here on a whim. I don’t get it, but I need to go back and work. Like, I’m just going to go back and work and grind. And somebody says, one more day.

And they had a walking meditation that day, and I’m walking down the beach. I had never really dealt with my trauma issues. I never forgave my father for his stuff, or my godfather for the stuff he did, or myself, or my family member who abused me, or any of these people.

And so I’m walking down the beach, and they teach you to, like, trance out this meditation with your eyes open. I see these shapes start to form. I’m like, oh, this is cool. And then this thing comes and taps me on the head, and I thought a bird pooped on my head. But then all this energy flows down my spine, and I’m like, okay, this is crazy.

I used to have no feeling—I couldn’t pick this up with my hands. I had no feeling in my hands because of what I had done to my nerves. My hands caught on fire, my L1 and L2 were fractured from triple jumping in college.

All of a sudden, I just started crying. I hit the ground, tearing up, and I’m like, I don’t know what’s happening. My body was on fire, and I felt this energy surge through me, these tingles down my spine. Then I got up, and I could walk differently, I could feel differently, and it was like this whole energy took over my body.

And I was like, okay, I’m really hooked to this thing because I’ve never felt this before. I never felt so free. But I didn’t understand really what it was. It was like if I were to take light and dark—it was like all of a sudden this blast of light came through, but I didn’t know how to integrate it.

So, the next day, what happened is this beautiful miracle. I got a phone call from one of the clients I was doing business with, consulting for. It was the end of the year, and they said, “Hey, we’ve got some extra money on our books. We’re going to send it to you to retain you for next year.” And it was a seven-figure sum of money. I was like, this is crazy. I showed it to Sophia, and she was like, “Yeah, that’s crazy.”

Then, it just kept happening, over and over again. I didn’t realize what I had really let go of. I was using an analogy—like a cup full of ice. My cup had always been full of ice, and it could only hold so much abundance. Any time it went over, it would just spill out because I never allowed the ice to melt. But when I finally let that ice melt, all of a sudden, I had this much more immediately available. It was just there, and no matter how much I poured it out, gave it away, lost it, made a stupid investment, or even got scammed, it always filled right back up. That’s when I was like, “Okay, this is crazy—this is how abundance works.”

At first, I thought it was a party trick, something I could do by going to Dr. Joe’s meditation events. So I got hooked. I went to nine of them.

I became a little bit of a spiritual asshole—a vampire to people. I was trying to build my own little mini cult. Not intentionally, but I would go out, and people would say, “Oh, you really know what you’re talking about. I think I have access to you. You say the things Joe says.” And we would go on these little meanderings in LA. I lived out there for a while, but then I realized—I wasn’t me. I was him. I was following Joe’s path. And Joe’s path is beautiful. He is a magical, magical human being. But I was just regurgitating his thing. There was no innovation in that. I was constantly hooked to him.

Then, about three years ago, I was on a whole plant medicine kick. I did everything—Iboga, 5-MeO, Ayahuasca, mushrooms, ketamine—the whole thing. After an Iboga journey, the last ceremonial plant medicine I did, I have not done since, just being with community.

I did that journeys, but it showed my trauma. It showed me, okay, you haven’t even dealt with this. You’re doing all this, but you haven’t dealt with this. And then I recognized that every time I left Joe’s thing, I would have these blast-off moments. Things would come to me when I least expected them. But I didn’t know how to like continue that on and I had to stay there. 

Once I started to recognize, well, why I have these trauma patterns. I did not deal with them and those trauma patterns were showing up, with me being somewhat disintegrous in my life with people. Then I was like, okay, I got to do something about it. Went to Hoffman process, understood—there’s like a non-medicinal way to start solving your problems. 

And then I learned all of the negative self-love patterns that I had. And then I was like, “Okay, I’ve got to start talking about this.”

I wasn’t on social media at that point. I was just in the class with people, and one guy there, who had a big following, said, “Hey, you’re really good at talking about this. You should start socializing.” I told him, “I’ve got no followers. I have no social media.” He said, “Just start talking about it and see what happens.” So, I did and that ramped up fast into me creating these very specific structures that integrate everything—from Hermetic principles to a whole dimensional framework I mapped from studying Einstein, Matías De Stefano, Manly P. Hall, Carl Jung.

Digging into Rudolf Steiner’s work and got into that, the theosophy and anthroposophy and just many, many things, Rosicrucianism, studied Gnosticism, got deep into the Quran, the Torah, took on the Kabbalah, studied under a Rabbi for eight months out of Israel, and so I pulled all this together to these frameworks. And then I saw how even astrology—how everything—fit together. It was like a crazy grid. This is what you do I Ching, Buddhism, Hinduism—all of these religions, different practices, and all these spiritual aspects of things.

And then I had a playbook to work off of. Every time I teach it, something new comes out of it. But it’s becoming something that’s very still and what I’m finding is that more people are being attracted to it because it doesn’t feel like a far-off space. It feels like: 

If you’re into quantum physics, here’s your door. I’m a Buddhist, here’s your door. I’m a Christian, here’s your door. It’s just—here’s a door. And you find yourself and my whole end of it is I should never be your guru. You are the guru, you are the Messiah here to save yourself. We are each other’s disciples and we’re here to show up to hold each other in the discipline of the thing that you know you are to be.

That’s the journey.

Your website is scienceofabundance.ai. What does “science of abundance” mean to you, and why did you choose that name?

Sean Clayton: When I first got kicked off, I was starting as like I’m going to be this abundance alchemist. There’s abundance and there’s alchemy, and abundance isn’t money, but it’s this energy of the divine. There is an energy of the divine, or the one mind or God or whatever you want to call it, the unnameable, and then there’s a very scientific way of being able to bring that into life. 

What I found as I’ve gone deeper into my journey is that there have been these ascendant masters that come through life, and what those ascended masters are really great at doing are being able to practically apply esoteric and mystical knowledge into the hands of the many. 

When they can do that and it becomes not a far-off thing that you do, it’s not like, “Oh, there’s this magical guy who walks on water.” Or this all the time. There is actually a very specific structure and way to do this and you take the science, which is the practice and the ability to repeat the thing over and over, take the theory, make the practice and do it over and over again.

I started doing that. Then I put it in a book. I was like, “Here’s a book. You can follow these steps and do this on your own if you want.” And if you don’t want to do it on your own, if you really want to ground yourself in the theory, the practice, and the understanding of it, then there are deeper spaces we can go.

My theory—what I feel this maps very closely to—is the walk of Jesus, the walk path of Krishna, the walk of Buddha. Any of these people. When they get persecuted and people start pushing them away, it’s because they’re teaching the masses something the elites don’t want them to know. And when they teach the masses the thing that the elites don’t want them to know, the elites then lose their power and then, in essence, you have to do something in order to suppress that. 

If Jesus—Yeshua at the time—had all this esoteric knowledge and was sharing it with the world, showing people how to do this thing. One of the things I learned as in suffragettes era there are all these practices. If you do these practices, you can actually create new realities. You can make things happen. But you never do them out of integrity. You never do them to hurt anybody—because when you do, you hurt yourself in the process. And it’s the most painful thing you could possibly do.

But when you walk that path and you do it in love, there are very specific playbooks and that was given from the days of Abraham to Isaac and Ishmael and then splintered down and those brothers disconnected and then there were things that sat in between them that kept them at odds. Those whole lineages, and that thing that kept them at odds was ego, it was a power struggle. Was somebody looking to take that mystical knowledge and hold these two things separate so that it never comes together and actually allows humanity to have this global expansion? 

Because if you look at Judaism less than 0.2% of the population they have this imprinted in their DNA. The oral tradition, the way they can execute on it is literally imprinted of what they can do in this linear process in order to be able to take mystical knowledge and make it very practical.

On the other side, Islam does a phenomenal job of being able to take and they’re almost like blockchain, if I were to take technology. They haven’t changed their scripture. They are very disciplined in what they do. It happens over and over again. It is like an unshakable movement. But they don’t have this. You put those two things together, you imagine the entire. It’s like something dripping in water. It just like spreads it out globally. And there’s no accident to me that the contention between those two religions is very intentional. It’s because we don’t stand in worthiness. 

So, the science of abundance is showing us how to stand in worthiness and how you bring those religions together, how to unify that, instead of being something that sits in the middle, that holds right the separation. It says, “Jesus, go look over there, go chase that guy, go follow him only, and he’s your only way to get there.” And if anything gets in the way, push them apart. And so Islam is getting in the way and Judaism is getting away. So we’re going to go on a crusade and mess that up. 

Anytime you see what’s wild. This is I’m going long answer, but it rounds back into the thing of science of abundance. Anytime you see a mass ascension of a superpower, there’s always a suppression of Judaism and a conflict with Islam every time. Okay, like with Rome, I mean Islam wasn’t quite there yet, but with Rome, suppression of Judaism. Let’s get rid of this Jesus guy, Let’s hold that power internally. 

Now you’ve got the same thing happening. You’ve got these superpowers rising. You’ve got literally, the Zionist movement in Judaism placed in a war, conflict Zone, being like it’s like bananas, like what’s happening here and we’re fighting each other and who’s pulling that string? Then, after World war II, suppression same thing, super power, rise of an entire ecosystem of individuals who had just lost the war, that almost took over the whole world. There’s something magical inside of that code that, when we unlock that, that we as human beings completely heal this planet. 

How does the science of abundance relate to the unique economic experiences of African Americans in the U.S.?

Sean Clayton: One of the things that I look at as a Black man—or African-American, whatever we call ourselves at the time—is that we have given ourselves this gift of oppression. And it sounds weird to say, but if you take hermetic laws—the law of polarity, the law of cause and effect—every cause has an effect, and every effect has a cause. You take the polarity there’s this expansion, the wider I set the vessel, the more that I can hold. So if I oppress something for so long, that means that my upside is so big. Polarity, Law of rhythm, all of them says that. So, I have, there’s so much upside. 

What ends up happening is that inside of esotericism, if you understand how that works and if I were somebody that really got it, I could set a ceiling and constantly press a race down over and over and over again all right and set up structures that I have to intentionally set up and this isn’t like conspiracy theory and as part of it, is the responsibility itself of the African-American, the black man, to be able to see. If I understand how those systems are set, I know how to get around them. 

But if the system is set and okay, well, slavery—boom, I hit that, all right. Well, now I’ve got what was civil rights issues—boom, I hit that. Well, now I’ve got you know these ghettos and different ways of, DEI initiatives that are not being pushed back—Boom, now there’s that. And so there keeps being this thing that happens over and over again. All it is pulling back a slingshot like crazy. At some point, once there is one, there’s a couple of other individuals that are doing this work. It’s got a 19 keys and several others out there. They do a really good job of being able to say here’s a lane you can go through. 

Once you get that slingshot to a point, you can pull it back and let it go. And that letting it go isn’t letting it go like, “I’m gonna just aim it wherever and fire it off.” But it’s being able to be so intentional and find the path through these mystical practices. And there’s no wonder that, like, if you look at even like church and the way that it is, it’s one of the most segregated places in the world. Because there is very specific things of how we are learning inside of that church. That is almost like a colonial expansion of being able to keep a very specific race in an oppressive state and we’re doing it to ourselves. 

But that slingshot is really far back right now and so when one gets through, you see kind of like really magical things that happen. It’s like, “Oh, really amazing President.” “Really amazing inventor” “Amazing athlete.” All this stuff kind of like fires through the hole and it’s like, there’s something magical there in just the oppression of the DNA, the oppression of the generational trauma that’s going to allow for the African-American or black community become very, very great. 

And the issue will be is that, at any point, because of the way that we have to go through that eye of the needle, if we do it with ego, then it’s not going to work. If we do it without love and unity, it’s not going to work. We have to do it with, like a full surrender, a full let it go and a full receivership. 

What does it mean to be released from the slingshot of ego without love? How does that look in practice?

Sean Clayton: That means it’s unembodied. What that means practically is that I get released from the slingshot and I’m not integrating where I land. I go to where I land and then I come in and I try to tear it up because I have resentment associated with it, and then all I’m doing is I’m on the other side, is I’m now pulling the slingshot back again somewhere else instead of landing and being hitting the eye of the bullseye. 

You’re not placing yourself in a place that makes sense. You’re not going to a destination and really integrating and deepening self while you’re there. You’re just going to tear stuff up. 

And so that’s what ends up happening oftentimes is when the slingshot is released and all of a sudden you have this big movement, but then we’re tearing up a city or there’s some riot or you saw, in Black Lives Matter, the slingshot got released, some beautiful things came out of that and some riots came out of that. 

And so you see both sides of what’s happening and there’s this anger that is very warranted because it has to be released. On the other side, there’s also a way to do that with love. 

Martin Luther King, do it with love, don’t do it with anger. You could go Black Panther, do it with anger, that’s okay too. But you have to see the juxtaposition of both to know that there’s one that is the bridge that unifies everything.

You talk about shifting from victim consciousness to creative consciousness. What do these terms mean, and what practical steps can someone take to make that shift?

Sean Clayton: One of the foundational days I talk about is the hermetic laws. In the hermetic one hermetic law that really deals with this is the law of karma, and most of us look at karma is like, “Oh, this bad thing’s going to happen to you if you do something bad.” 

What we don’t recognize is that there’s also, if you do something beautiful, or you do something great, or what is the rhythm that you’re casting out of the world, what is the vibration and the energy that you’re putting out there. When you are at this, what I call the seat of cause, you are the cause creator of everything in your life. Everything is emanating out of you. Then you know the effects before they happen. You can almost tell the future. This is were, like, psychic powers come in. 

I always say you put yourself at the seat of God, but on the other side of it. You say, “What did you create in your life?” “Well, I created my parents.” Well, most of us think our parents created us. I created my perspective of my parents. I created them. 

An easy example of a practical step would be to sit in a creatorship is you just sit at your day right now and look around you. I’m looking at my desk. All this stuff I created for myself. I’ve got a piece of mail over there. I’ve got this like little rag thing that I use to wipe off my computer screen. I’ve got some chapstick. This is stuff on my desk that I created to help me at some point. All of these things are going to help me and be useful tools to me. 

Most of us are like, “Oh, well, this stuff’s in front of me now I’m a victim of it.” “Oh, well, there’s an envelope on my desk.”  That could either be a check or that could be a bill. If it’s a bill, wow, I’m in awe of being able to make an offering and moving energy around. Some people look at that and say, “Oh, that bill. I can’t believe they keep the electric company. I can’t believe they keep hiking up their kilowatt per hour rate and now I’m having to deal with that.” I’m in awe of the fact that I can actually move energy to that thing which moves energy to somewhere else, and then you’re not being a victim of the bill that you have on your desk. 

Then, if there’s a check on my desk on the other side of it, I’m in awe of being able to have an offering presented to me and I’m going to do something with that.  

So it’s just taking the perspective of moving into a state of awe, into a state of wonder. I always say it’s not about being excited, because excited means that I set some expectations, that if I don’t reach those expectations or surpass them all the time, then I’m going to be disappointed. 

And awe means that I see everything as a miracle. So if I see everything as a miracle, it is a miracle. Then what does it do? It sees me as a miracle and it responds back to me because we’re two or more gathered there, whether it’s the microphone, you a dog, a cat, a frog. I see it as a miracle. It sees me as a miracle. And then we become unified and then I’m in love with my creation. 

So that’s the shift from being able to go from like, “Hey, I’m going to be a victim.” of being like, “Okay, I’m not in awe, everything has to be a show for me.” Everything has to be extra, and if it’s not beyond the expectation that I set that is my baseline and my benchmark then I’m going to be wildly disappointed in my life all the time and therefore, I live as a victim in the circumstances of it not being enough. And that’s not abundance, that’s not worthiness. Does that make sense? 

How do you navigate the timing of things in life? When things don’t happen as expected, how do you distinguish between divine timing and personal missteps?

Sean Clayton: Timing is a useful tool. 

Timing becomes our enemy, which is always our gift when we hesitate. When we hesitate and we don’t understand our creation. So things like desire, things like setting expectations, I always say don’t set an expectation, set agreements. So I set an agreement and I put my own time on that agreement and I mean, imagine you’re doing a project for work. I say, “I’m going to build a landing page. I know it only takes me two weeks to build a landing page.” Or I’m going to set an intention. Maybe I’ve never done one. I’m going to put a two-week timeline on it. I’m going to work back on the things that I need to get that done. 

My agreement’s a landing page. I’m going to do a work back schedule to get the thing done and then I’m going to make sure that I do the integrated steps along the way to make that happen. And if I don’t do the integrated steps along the way to make that happen, then I can’t be mad that the landing page isn’t done.

So, if I set an intention of saying—I mean, we’ll use a money situation—”I want $10 million in my bank account.” All right. “Well, what’s my work back schedule?” Here’s all of the spaces where resources are in the world. I can go and do this, this, this, this or that, and I want to get it in a month. I want it for me to get in a month. I’m going to have to work really, really hard. I’m going to have to come up with some new, innovative idea. I’m going to have to do something that I have to do that’s extremely unique, and there are examples of people that have done this before, and so I’m going to have to go super hard to get that done. And so what are the steps I need to do every day to make that happen? So, I put those integrated steps in place in order to get the $10 million a month to take place.

Now, I might sacrifice something in the process. I have a kid I have a wife, I have this, I have that. I have to make sure that those agreements are set, and at some point, if I’m breaking one of those and I’m out of integrity with that, it’s going to impact the other one. So, you have a really clear path, and this is where selfishness versus self-love comes in, because selfishness is when I now start sacrificing other people around me for my own benefit.

That’s tied to a very specific thing that absolutely has nothing to do with my abundance state. It has to do with me chasing something else. Self-love starts to happen is when, I set those agreements. But let’s say I have a kid, which I do. I have a 16-year-old. I have a wife. She wants a very specific type of relationship. I have two dogs. I have my health. I have all of these different things in my life that I’ve set agreements with. 

When I set those agreements, “Well, I want to have a fitness that looks like this.” I’m going to eat like this way. I’m going to have to be with my wife. We’re going to go on date night two nights a week. I’m going to have the things that I do within my company on a daily basis. Like, there’s agreements that I already have set.

If I go in all of a sudden and say I’m going to get $10 million—one, why am I doing that? What is it for? Who is it serving? And if I go and I chase after that and I sacrifice these other things, my container of integrity for those agreements is now broken, and therefore this one will never work.

So, you also have to be able to integrate all your agreements in unity, and you have to be able to lay the grid work of your life so that those practical work back steps get there.

And so the thing that you’re talking about is like say, “hey, you put an intention out there.” And that intention is X. If that intention doesn’t align with all the agreements that you currently have set, you’re going to break something. And if you do something to break those other agreements, then you’re never going to get that one. And it’s a very delicate structure.

One example is there’s—whenever I’ll coach men in my life, if they’re having trouble with finances, okay, “Man, I make money, I lose money. I make money, I’m losing money. All of a sudden, I was really crushing it and all of a sudden, the money just started disappearing. I don’t understand why?” Nine out of ten times either cheating on their wife, their girlfriend, they have some relationship issue or a mother one. 

There’s an aspect of receivership in the feminine version of themselves that is completely out of balance, that they have taken a very unembodied masculine approach on, or they’re just like watching porn. There’s such a something that’s happening that is not balanced. And when they fix that thing, money comes rushing in.

If you could sit down with anyone, dead or alive, who would it be, and what would you ask?

Sean Clayton: It would be my eight-year-old version of myself. I would sit down with them, which I’ve done this, and I would tell them, you’re about to go through a bunch of stuff and keep your head high. And when you can find the spaces to love yourself. Find that.

And what that looks like is this. What it looks like is do these things every single day, because even though this path that you’re going to go down might be really rough, if you do it with love and awe and excitement, you’re going to slingshot out of it wildly fast. I mean, it’s going to be a beautiful thing for you. And maybe there’s ways that you can avoid it, maybe there’s ways you can’t. 

But no matter where you end up, I’m going to tell you right now, even after all of the crazy stuff that I’ve gone through, you’re going to be wonderful. Even with this bit of information, that’s what I would do.

You have a razor blade around your neck. What does it mean?

Sean Clayton: It’s a hell of a thing at TSA. When I got out of the Hoffman process, integrity was a theme in my life. What I found is that walking in integrity is like being on the razor’s edge. If you try to split the middle of it, it’s extremely painful. If you walk it just right, you can do it. But you have to have the right shoes on, you have to have the right equipment, you have to have the right infrastructure in order to be able to do it.

Also, when something is in your life that you got to get out, you need to cut it out right, and not in a way of pain, because when you use one of these, it’s kind of unpainful. It is in a way of severing that which needs to move on, that which needs to move on and figure itself out. And I always use this concept. It’s not about separating. It’s about severing in love and keeping a cord attached so that you’re feeding an energy in a space of, okay, they’ve got to go do their thing.

It’s happened with my son recently. You got to go do your thing, and yesterday, like, we had this beautiful drop in, and he’s like, “Dad, thank you for letting me do my thing, because I get it now. I get where I was going,” even though for like five months, it was tension.

You offer both one-on-one coaching and online programs. What’s the best next step for someone interested in working with you?

Sean Clayton: Most people find me through Instagram. They can get there, and that’s like a starter kit of just information and drop-ins. I make it as entertaining as I can for some of this information and knowledge.

I have a Science of You class. Generally, the next step after that for quite a few individuals is to take that. There’s a self-paced version of it where you can go back and watch some of the former classes that we’ve done—that’s a little bit less expensive. And then there’s a live version of it that we do once a quarter, and that is $197 for the live version, $97 for the replay version, and people really like it. The testimonials have been amazing.

Generally, 20 or 30 of those every single month will graduate up to a Resilient You class. And in that Resilient You class, it’s where we really integrate—letting go of the trauma patterns, being able to integrate how you do this mystical knowledge, how you walk in life. 

And we have a community that ends up holding each other accountable to make this thing a reality. So, one is the teaching, and the next one is the practice.

Thank you for sharing your story. I know you’ve shared it a million times, but I just appreciate you sharing it once again for our audience. 

Sean Clayton: Thank you, brother. I appreciate the invite. This has been a beautiful thing, and everything you’re putting together—the world needs it. So, thank you as well.